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Galaxy Ballroom, Santa Ana 2000: Rendevous Reunion...
by the way: Awesome Space Copssacks set...my only
experience seing Ivan and the gang shredding live...most
excellent!
also: that show featured the UN-Lively Ones...personally, I
thought they truly sucked...and I am a huge HUGE MASSIVE
Lively Ones fan...especially their drummer (Tim
Fitzpatrick) and sax (Joel Willenbring)...but, Jim
Masoner(guitar), Ron Griffith(Mosrite bass) and Ed
Chiaverini (guitar)...well very un-Lively says it all...
lastly, Ivan's assessment is accurate: Eddie sucked big
time, pure seventies Lynard Skynard/Allman Brothers
bluesrock riffs...at a surf celebration?!?!?
DP
--- ipongrac <> wrote:
> My old band the Space Cossacks played the Rendezvous
> Ballroom reunion
> show in Santa Ana (or wherever it was, I'm blanking out
> now) back in
> 2000. One of the acts was the Belairs, with Eddie
> Bertrand on lead
> guitar. I was extremely excited about this, as I'm a
> huge Eddie &
> the Showmen fan. I think he was even better than DD back
> then.
> Well, I was extremely disappointed. Not only was his
> technique
> really sloppy, but he really ruined most of the song by
> playing them
> with a tone with a lot of distortion and modern
> techniques. His
> stage demeanor was utterly embarrassing, as well - a
> throwback to '74-
> '78 guitar-hero/cock-rawk type of stuff. I mean, this is
> NOT
> bringing in modern influences - this is simply bringing
> in
> other 'outdated' influences (in this case 25 years old).
>
>
> don't get me wrong: I grew up with all of the shredding
> guitar stuff
> from the eighties, and still enjoy quite a bit of it. I
> even
> acquired Yngwie's first four albums on CD earlier this
> year. I think
> he's got a killer tone (and obviously an incredible
> technique). I'm
> absolutely obsessed with Ritchie Blackmore, too, as well
> as a bunch
> of other metal with shredding playing (like Iron Maiden).
> Though I'm
> not terribly enthusiastic about musical cross-breeding
> between these
> styles and surf music, there is a right and a wrong way
> to do it.
> Unfortunately, I couldn't come to another conclusion than
> that Eddie
> did it the wrong way. In order to play eighties shred
> style you've
> got to have an impeccable technique, and he didn't. Like
> I said, he
> was very sloppy. The Surf Coasters guitarist shows how
> to do this
> correctly and with taste. The non-original guitarist in
> the
> Chantays, though not my cup of tea, also does it quite
> well. In
> addition, there is a type of a song that works with that
> style of
> playing - Yngwie's "Black Star" and "Far Beyond the Sun,"
> or Dokken's
> (with another awesome shredmeister George Lynch) "Mr.
> Scary." The
> Belairs' version of Three Blind Mice is NOT a song where
> you start
> shredding - it just sounds ridiculous.
>
> As a impartial observer and fan, I understand Eddie's
> desire to grow
> as a musician. but what I saw that day was not an
> example of
> positive growth. I found it cringe-inducing, and would
> not pay money
> to see it again. I may be in a small minority, but I
> have not heard
> any positive reviews of Eddie's modern playing on any
> list or in any
> magazine since I've started following them back in '95.
> So, maybe
> Eddie should take a hint. Almost all great guitarists
> become trapped
> in their styles to a certain extent, but it doesn't mean
> that one
> cannot progress and grow while sticking to the tone that
> made you
> well-known in the first place. Just my opinion...
>
> Ivan
>
> PS BTW, Eddie was using a humbucker eqipped Strat through
> SEVERAL
> silverface Quad Reverbs, or something strange like that.
> I can't
> remember exactly now, maybe somebody else will. It's
> funny that the
> Belairs broke up over the whole debate about how much
> reverb Eddie
> should be using, when four years ago he just stomped over
> all those
> classic songs with excessive volume and distortion, which
> is much
> more damaging to guitar interplay in that setting than
> reverb.
> There's irony for you....
>
> PPS I have not heard any Get Wet stuff, Les, so I can't
> comment on
> your own playing. This was strictly about Eddie.
>
>
> --- In , Leslie Fradkin
> <lfradkin@e...>
> wrote:
> > Eddie hates this incident, and regrets doing it. He was
> tricked by
> the
> > producer and although he insisted his name not be used,
> it was
> anyway.
> >
> > We used a real drummer (Peter G.) on the stuff we did
> together and
> will
> > continue to use real drums.
> >
> > And no, it's not his updated sound.
> >
> > Les
> >
> > On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 10:43 AM, Phil Kucer
> wrote:
> >
> > > I posted an MP3 ripped from the porn movie he did a
> few years
> ago. The
> > > song was awful. Not only the crappy song, but the
> crappy over-
> processed
> > > guitars and crappy electronic drums.
> > >
> > > Since this the last thing I've heard from Mr.
> Bertrand, I was just
> > > wondering if this his 'updated' sound?
> > >
> > > Tell Eddie he needs to get back in the surf. We miss
> him.
> > >
> > >
> > > And leave the drum machine on the beach...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil Tiki
> > > __________________________
> > > The Cocktail Preachers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 7, 2004, at 10:38 AM, Leslie Fradkin wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> "That's great that you are trying to navigate into
> some new sonic
> > >>> territories. However, I've heard Eddie's newer
> version of "Mr.
> > >>> Rebel" (the on that Phil Tiki posted for us all to
> hear) and I
> have
> > >>> to say it pales in comparison to the original."
> > >>
> > >> Your statement contradicts itself. Eddie & I both
> believe in
> uncharted
> > >> territory. That philosophy is one of the prime
> reasons he's
> doing this
> > >> project with me. We do his old hits live, BTW. We
> just update
> them a
> > >> little bit for modern ears. We performed "Mr. Rebel"
>
> and "Squadcar" at
> > >> the KFJC show. They were extremely well received and
> sounded
> great.
> > >> That's because we played them with passion and
> heart, which to
> us,
> > >> matters more than the gear we choose to use.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> > > Visit for
> archived
> > > messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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