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Re: tape echo

ohsyrus - 07 Sep 2003 15:44:13

Do you need a mixer to use the D-2? My amp is a very basic design with
no effects loop. Pedal chain routes nicely, but no balanced
connectors. The D-2 looks pretty cool.
John
--- In , "Rick Escobar" <maxxreverb@y...>
wrote:
> I have a TC Electronics D-Two that I now use for delay these days. A
> cool feature is that I can control the exact number of repeats, for
> me it's very musical.
>
> Another good delay is built into my Fender Cyber Twin, sounds fine to
> me.
>
> My Lexicon PCM81 has some good delays but it's a huge pain to program
> so I use it for everything but delay.
>
> Rick
>
>
> >
> > Green tube Echoplex's are almost perfect, but the "Alantis" has me
> interested. Cick on the
> rack-mount "Alantis" picture, then "English", if that's your
> preferance.
> > -dave
> >
> >
> > ohsyrus <ohsyrus@y...> wrote:
> > Ivan,
> > I read your remarks about EFTP with great interest. I too, am an
> > echoplex freak, and am totally sick and tired of dealing with
> antique
> > units. There is a Guyatone unit which is quite good. And Fulltone is
> > comeing out with a real tape delay unit as well. I have heard
> rumours
> > that Mike Battle is going into production with a new model, but I
> will
> > believe it when I see it. I currently use the H&K Replex,(as well as
> > the Gibson Echoplex) which I think sounds pretty good, but only has
> > two heads. I went to the Shadows sites and read up on their opinions
> > about various muti-tap delays out there. I see that the spec sheet
> for
> > the Zoom RFX2000 looks fairly impressive for a cheap digital unit--I
> > just never had such a good opinion of Zoom stuff. I am even pretty
> > critical of more expensive Lexicon and TC Electronic units, that is,
> > until you get to the G-Force and G2 levels. One of the good aspects
> > to the Zoom model appears to be the patch editor software that is
> > included, plus, they are less than $200 on line. There is a new
> delay
> > pedal from Yamaha, the UD Stomp, that is getting some rave reviews
> > from some players. I read that EFTP had evaluated it against the
> Zoom,
> > and gone with the Zoom, but then I also read that they would be
> coming
> > out with patches for the UD Stomp. The UD Stomp has 8 bands which
> can
> > be programmed and then connected in serial or parallel. It was
> > developed in conjunction with Allen Holdsworth. Its spendy, but I
> > haven't seen anything quite this versatile without going to the TC
> > Electronic 2290 level. Have you heard anything about this unit? You
> > seem to have a pretty good opinion of the Zoom unit. Have you tried
> to
> > program it?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
> wrote:
> > > My friend, you've discovered the glory that is old tape echos!
> That
> > > echo effect you refer to is called 'staggered echo repeats.' It
> is a
> > > result of multiple playback heads mounted varying distances apart
> > > from each other that, when activated, will give echo repeats at
> > > different times, thus - staggered echo repeats! Almost all the
> > > old/original echo units had something like this. The Shadows and
> the
> > > Atlantics were famous for making very effective use of this
> effect.
> > > Some of the most famous echo units from the sixties that were
> able to
> > > get this effect were made by mostly Italian companies such as
> Meazzi
> > > and Binson (both used by Hank Marvin) and German companies such
> as
> > > Klemt (makers of the Echolette used by the Atlantics) and
> Dynacord.
> > > Dynacord made good echo units, but not as well known as the first
> > > three brands. The Shadows addicts have spent a LOT of internet
> time
> > > discussing all these various echo units. You can explore some of
> > > their discussions here:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > (lots of cool info on Fender guitars and Vox amps on these pages,
> > > too, that some readers of this list may enjoy.)
> > >
> > > Just make sure you keep digging back into the archives, cause
> they
> > > pretty much exhausted all topics related to echo units a few
> years
> > > ago. :)
> > >
> > > This is an effect that isn't easy to get with modern equipment.
> I
> > > know of maybe one or two echo pedals that were able to reproduce
> > > this, and they're now discontinued (Zoom 508 and maybe Akai
> > > Headrush). Modern rack effects can approach the effect by
> > > programming the so-called 'multi-tap' delays with proper echo
> times.
> > > But this is a big pain in the ass, and you still don't get the
> warm
> > > treble-degradation that tapes do naturally, which adds so much to
> the
> > > tone. However, as these staggered echos are absolutely key for
> any
> > > self-respecting Hank Marvin wannabe, the markets have - as
> expected -
> > > responded! There is a company called Echos From the Past that
> > > programs a Zoom RFX 2000 unit with identical sounding echos as
> the
> > > old ones. It's a British company, and you can find their website
> > > here:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have one of these Zoom units programmed by them, and it was
> worth
> > > every penny, absolutely fantastic! It was about $450, if I
> recall
> > > correctly. They researched dozens of old tape echo units, and
> built
> > > in all the nuances of those machines, without their
> unreliability!
> > > You see, the problem with those units is that they are very rare,
> and
> > > very expensive, but mostly very OLD! How many tape players over
> 20
> > > years old are still working? And most of these echo machines are
> > > over 40 years old! Moving parts wear out over the period of
> time,
> > > and maintenance is a big pain, as well. So, people are looking
> to
> > > the digital realm to solve this problem - and it's been done.
> It's
> > > not as cool as the old tape units, but it's a lot more
> convenient.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I hope that helps.
> > > Ivan
> > >
> > > --- In , "kahunatikiman"
> <chris@b...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Last night, I went and saw Bolder Bob and his band , the
> Beloved
> > > > Invaders, play in Denver. AWESOME!!! Every time I see them
> they
> > > get
> > > > better, and they were fantastic to begin with! Bob blows me
> away
> > > > everytime, and they have the tightest rhythm section I have
> ever
> > > > heard. Anyway, Bob uses an effect called a DynaChord, which
> > > gives
> > > > his guitar an tape echo effect that sounds great. I have
> tried
> > > > reproducing the sound using a danelectro dan-echo, but it isn't
> the
> > > > same. Bob's echo speeds up as it fades. Anyone know a good
> > > (cheap)
> > > > alternative to get this sound without spending a few hundred
> bucks
> > > on
> > > > a Dynacord? I saw the Danelectro Reel Echo box, but I read
> > > reviews
> > > > and it didn't sound too good.
> >
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