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Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: tape echo

dave wronski (stickmandw) - 07 Sep 2003 08:53:25

Green tube Echoplex's are almost perfect, but the "Alantis" has me interested. Cick on the rack-mount "Alantis"
picture, then "English", if that's your preferance.
-dave
ohsyrus <> wrote:
Ivan,
I read your remarks about EFTP with great interest. I too, am an
echoplex freak, and am totally sick and tired of dealing with antique
units. There is a Guyatone unit which is quite good. And Fulltone is
comeing out with a real tape delay unit as well. I have heard rumours
that Mike Battle is going into production with a new model, but I will
believe it when I see it. I currently use the H&K Replex,(as well as
the Gibson Echoplex) which I think sounds pretty good, but only has
two heads. I went to the Shadows sites and read up on their opinions
about various muti-tap delays out there. I see that the spec sheet for
the Zoom RFX2000 looks fairly impressive for a cheap digital unit--I
just never had such a good opinion of Zoom stuff. I am even pretty
critical of more expensive Lexicon and TC Electronic units, that is,
until you get to the G-Force and G2 levels. One of the good aspects
to the Zoom model appears to be the patch editor software that is
included, plus, they are less than $200 on line. There is a new delay
pedal from Yamaha, the UD Stomp, that is getting some rave reviews
from some players. I read that EFTP had evaluated it against the Zoom,
and gone with the Zoom, but then I also read that they would be coming
out with patches for the UD Stomp. The UD Stomp has 8 bands which can
be programmed and then connected in serial or parallel. It was
developed in conjunction with Allen Holdsworth. Its spendy, but I
haven't seen anything quite this versatile without going to the TC
Electronic 2290 level. Have you heard anything about this unit? You
seem to have a pretty good opinion of the Zoom unit. Have you tried to
program it?
John
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
> My friend, you've discovered the glory that is old tape echos! That
> echo effect you refer to is called 'staggered echo repeats.' It is a
> result of multiple playback heads mounted varying distances apart
> from each other that, when activated, will give echo repeats at
> different times, thus - staggered echo repeats! Almost all the
> old/original echo units had something like this. The Shadows and the
> Atlantics were famous for making very effective use of this effect.
> Some of the most famous echo units from the sixties that were able to
> get this effect were made by mostly Italian companies such as Meazzi
> and Binson (both used by Hank Marvin) and German companies such as
> Klemt (makers of the Echolette used by the Atlantics) and Dynacord.
> Dynacord made good echo units, but not as well known as the first
> three brands. The Shadows addicts have spent a LOT of internet time
> discussing all these various echo units. You can explore some of
> their discussions here:
>
>
>
> (lots of cool info on Fender guitars and Vox amps on these pages,
> too, that some readers of this list may enjoy.)
>
> Just make sure you keep digging back into the archives, cause they
> pretty much exhausted all topics related to echo units a few years
> ago. :)
>
> This is an effect that isn't easy to get with modern equipment. I
> know of maybe one or two echo pedals that were able to reproduce
> this, and they're now discontinued (Zoom 508 and maybe Akai
> Headrush). Modern rack effects can approach the effect by
> programming the so-called 'multi-tap' delays with proper echo times.
> But this is a big pain in the ass, and you still don't get the warm
> treble-degradation that tapes do naturally, which adds so much to the
> tone. However, as these staggered echos are absolutely key for any
> self-respecting Hank Marvin wannabe, the markets have - as expected -
> responded! There is a company called Echos From the Past that
> programs a Zoom RFX 2000 unit with identical sounding echos as the
> old ones. It's a British company, and you can find their website
> here:
>
>
>
> I have one of these Zoom units programmed by them, and it was worth
> every penny, absolutely fantastic! It was about $450, if I recall
> correctly. They researched dozens of old tape echo units, and built
> in all the nuances of those machines, without their unreliability!
> You see, the problem with those units is that they are very rare, and
> very expensive, but mostly very OLD! How many tape players over 20
> years old are still working? And most of these echo machines are
> over 40 years old! Moving parts wear out over the period of time,
> and maintenance is a big pain, as well. So, people are looking to
> the digital realm to solve this problem - and it's been done. It's
> not as cool as the old tape units, but it's a lot more convenient.
>
> Anyway, I hope that helps.
> Ivan
>
> --- In , "kahunatikiman" <chris@b...>
> wrote:
> > Last night, I went and saw Bolder Bob and his band , the Beloved
> > Invaders, play in Denver. AWESOME!!! Every time I see them they
> get
> > better, and they were fantastic to begin with! Bob blows me away
> > everytime, and they have the tightest rhythm section I have ever
> > heard. Anyway, Bob uses an effect called a DynaChord, which
> gives
> > his guitar an tape echo effect that sounds great. I have tried
> > reproducing the sound using a danelectro dan-echo, but it isn't the
> > same. Bob's echo speeds up as it fades. Anyone know a good
> (cheap)
> > alternative to get this sound without spending a few hundred bucks
> on
> > a Dynacord? I saw the Danelectro Reel Echo box, but I read
> reviews
> > and it didn't sound too good.
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