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Here is what "The Doctor" said about these guitars on the Fender Forum...
<quote>
"I talked to Fender. These guitars (JM and Jag) are definitely MIA at the
Corona facility. It's another one of those special order, limited color
options, limited candy, no case specials that major dealers sponser through
Fender. Get 'em while you can boys and girls. There's one less LPB JM than
when we started!"
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They do seem to be different that the American Vintage series though. The
headstocks are different, the pickguards are stark white instead of mint
green, and the Jag has no mute. They seem to be American versions of the
Japanese reissues!!!
BN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Neal [mailto:]
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 6:33 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] The new Jazzmaster and Jaguar at Musician's
> Friend confusion...
>
>
> I emailed Musician's friend this very same question. I started
> the thread on the Fender Forum about this. I haven't heard from them yet.
>
> I believe these $699 models are Ishibashi guitars, as the
> American reissues never came in Lake Placid Blue, and Candy Apple
> Red was discontinued several years ago. Although I see now that
> some guys on the Fender Forum called MF, and they claim the JM is
> MIA and the Jag is MIM. That really doesn't make sense.
>
> Mr. Wronski? Can you clarify? (probably not, Slacktone is in
> Europe now...)
>
> I don't believe you could build your own for $900 and have it
> match the quality of the American Vintage reissues. These are
> really high quality guitars. All the parts are much higher
> quality than the MIJ's (granted they are using American pickups
> now), cloth covered wiring, the Jags have mutes (MIJ's do not),
> nice case, plus the high quality nitro finish. Remember that the
> whole goal of the American Vintage series of guitars is to
> reproduce the 1962 models with modern parts and techniques. Hence
> the big $$$$$.
>
> However, I agree with you that there is a huge demand for a
> cheaper line of Jags & JM's. Thats probably why Fender is finally
> allowing the Japanese models back into the US again.
>
> If you are patient you can pick up the American Vintage guitars
> on Ebay for $800-$1100. And Musician's friend sold the Inca
> Silver American Jags & JM's for $1000 when Fender discontinued
> that color.
>
> Heck you can even buy a vintage guitar for the same price as a
> new American reissue.
>
> So I sympathize with you and also hope for more easily affordable
> Jags & JM's.
>
> I am interested to see how this all turns out.
>
> BN (aka SurfCR)
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jimmywilseylives [mailto:]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 5:14 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] The new Jazzmaster and Jaguar at Musician's
> > Friend confusion...
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I looked on Musician's Friend today to see that Fender is
> > putting out the "J&J's" at $699. If so, what are the differences with
> > the Vintage '62 RI's and these new ones? I honestly think it is
> > incredibly ridiculous that Fender charges $1330 for the guitar which
> > doesn't include $103 for tax (A $1433 value - pleeeeease!). I could
> > custom build one of these guitars for less with parts from Warmoth at
> > around $900 retail. If anyone here works at Fender please have them
> > sneak a peek at the Jaguars and Jazzmasters page on
> > www.Fenderforum.com. We love your stuff but c'mon. Many are either
> > buying these guitars straight from Japan (under $700) or building
> > their own and I'm sure price has a huge factor in it all. Thanks. JWL.
> >
>
