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tim fitzpatrick is totally cool...those old Lively Ones LPs
really swing!
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--- Jeff <> wrote:
> Ivan,Jim,
> Not to drudge up old flame wars. But Dynotones did some
> gigs
> recently with Tim Fitzpatrick of the Lively Ones on
> drums. I'd say
> it was one of their most swingin' sets I'd ever seen
> them do. They
> have always been one band that really pushes the R&B
> side of the
> surf genre. But kinda make it modern and heavy
> especailly live. But
> Tim's Jazz & Swing roots really brought out the swingin'
> side of
> them even more. He's got a odd style I'm not used to
> seeing, and
> only uses a huge old Ride for all his cymbals, except
> hi-hat of
> course.
> Jeff(bigtikidude)
>
>
>
>
> --- In , "ipongrac"
> <ipongrac@g...>
> wrote:
> > Hey Jim!
> >
> > This is most excellent - thanks for such a detailed
> analysis of the
> > rhythmic structure of SS! Some of the technical
> aspects of rhythm
> > that you talk about I don't understand well enough to
> completely
> > follow, but I think I get the overall gist of what
> you're saying.
> > Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to imply that I was
> unhappy with
> > how Doug played the song, I just tried to explain how
> it evolved.
> As
> > you say, it sounds pretty good as it is. But it's very
> cool that
> > you're able to analyze it like this. Thanks again!
> Looking
> forward
> > to chatting with you in a few months.
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> > PS I love the 'swing' - the subtle syncopations - of
> the surf
> > drummers from the sixties. It's obvious those guys
> were taught
> drums
> > by jazz drummers, but it adds such a cool component to
> their rock
> > playing. This is one thing that i really miss in
> modern surf
> > drummers, who tend to be completely immersed in rock,
> and therefore
> > lack that subtle swing. The one modern surf drummer
> that really
> > comes to mind when talking about the swing in his
> playing is the
> > Fathoms drummer - is it Stan something? I love his
> playing.
> >
> > --- In , "toofastjim"
> <toofastjim@e...>
> > wrote:
> > > Funny how song arrangements (and sometimes songs
> themselves) are
> > changed, or even written within days, weeks, hours or
> minutes of
> > recording.
> > >
> > > As far as XKE & Solaris Stomp are concerned - XKE
> features not
> just
> > any surf beat, but the quintessential Astronauts beat
> made famous
> by
> > then 19-year old James Gallagher on their classic surf
> tracks
> > like "Surf Party" "The Pier," "Hot Doggin'" "Surf
> Softly and
> Carry
> > a Big Board" and "Banzai Pipeline" (although the Boss
> Martians
> > drummer puts a little more emphasis on the "&" of
> "4"). I think
> in
> > order for that beat to be most effective, the rhythm
> guitar (or a
> > rhyhm guitar) should play straight 8th notes - or in
> the case of
> the
> > Martians, a constant, steady keyboard presence
> (holding notes down
> > instead of frantically playing like Billy Preston near
> an
> elementary
> > school at recess). And that's one tough beat to play
> correctly,
> > too. I still don't think I play it right - or at least
> to my own
> > satisfaction
> > >
> > > In Solaris Stomp, I think the traditional surf beat
> is much more
> > appropriate for the song (regardless of who made the
> final
> decision)
> > as it still accomplishes the goal of driving the song,
> but doesn't
> > get in the way of the rhythm guitar, which is obviously
> doing a
> > little more than playing straight 8th notes. The space
> between
> > the "&" of "2" and the backbeat on "4" in that song is
> nothing
> short
> > of musical precision - I don't think squeezing the
> extra Astronauts
> > beats in there would have yielded the same results &
> probably would
> > have gotten in the way of the rhythm guitar. The
> Astronauts beat
> > really puts the focus on the 4-on-the-floor bass drum
> figure &
> > minimizes to some degree the backbeat on the snare,
> especially
> > on "4," which as I said before is an essential
> component
> of "Solaris
> > Stomp."
> > >
> > > the end
> > >
> > > -tfj-
> > >
> > > PS- That Dano's really good at filling holes.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: ipongrac
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:37 PM
> > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Rhythm Guitar / Chords
> / Chunking
> > >
> > >
> > > Excellent stuff, Dano!! You really filled out all
> the holes I
> > left
> > > off. I couldn't add anything else.
> > >
> > > > The song I think emphasizes this in the most
> incredible way
> is
> > > Solaris
> > > > Stomp by The Space Cossacks. To me that rhythm
> part at the
> > > beginning is just
> > > > unbelievable. JUST the right amount of subtlety
> but the right
> > > amount of "sack" to drive the song. AWESOME!
> > >
> > > Thanks, man! Very nice of you. Just to tie this
> in with my
> > earlier
> > > points, we recorded Solaris Stomp within a month of
> the first
> > time we
> > > played with the Fathoms. We've been playing around
> with the
> song
> > for
> > > a while, and it used to have an arrangement that
> sounded
> similar
> > > to "Neutron Sabre" - so, more of the Dick
> Dale/Miserlou/Hava
> > Nagila
> > > beat. I grew quite dissatisfied with it, and after
> seeing the
> > > Fathoms had an epiphany. As I mentioned, I bought
> the
> > Jazzmaster,
> > > and rearranged the song, basing it much more on the
> smoother
> > sound of
> > > the Jazzmaster with flatwounds (and playing it in
> lower
> registers
> > > than I did originally, I think). Changed the
> syncopated beat
> to
> > the
> > > steady, smooth surf-beat - in fact, I remember
> playing "XKE" by
> > the
>
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