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Wannes and all,
I have been using the Line 6 Echo Park as my second
delay ( I use two, what the Hell!) so I wanted to get
a different unit (to replace the poorly designed
DanEcho) for a different tone. But, the Line 6 sounds
so absurly great I decided to get a second one, then
changed my mind and bought the Line 6 DL4 which has 3
programmable presets, and is the unit that the
EchoPark is based on. I want to highly recommend the
Echo Park for anyone looking into a delay pedal, the
tone is unbelievable, its built like a tank and it has
true bypass switching.
Thanks for everyone's feedbeack, even the economics
lesson <g>.
Ferenc
--- mono_tones_1 <> wrote:
> the still rather cost effective and way more
> quality-dedicated
> alternative that most manufacterors use is a
> PCB-jack that still
> screws to the box - the Dano's problem is not the
> pcb-jack, but the
> fact that three tiny solder joints are ALL the
> connection the jacks
> have to the pedal. the danecho's sound great, I have
> two, and among
> them had to repair them three times - no room for
> decent jacks
> inside - next time they crap out they'll hit the
> bin.
>
> the GP shootout mentioned gave editors pick to both
> the line 6 and a
> Rocktron short timer. (and a Moog) - the rocktron is
> said to more or
> less do the same thing as thedano, for less money
> and with better
> jacks.
>
> WR
>
>
>
>
> --- In , "unlunf"
> <unlunf@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Ferenc,
> >
> > > I can't stand the fact that the jacks are wired
> > > to the circuit board instead of the unit shell.
> > > This has been the point of failure for both
> units
> > > now. Stupid engineering-- the unit has a heavy
> > > duty shell, but why did they bother?
> >
> > I've got one word for you - cost.
> >
> > Manufacturers long ago stopped using quality jacks
> > such as those made by Switchcraft. As far as I
> can
> > tell, Marshall was the first to use plastic
> 'import'
> > jacks that mounted directly on the circuit board.
> > (But I really could be wrong - that's just where I
> > first saw them, that's all.) Anyway, even though
> > these new jacks all failed miserably, they were so
> > much cheaper that they continued to be used, and
> are
> > still used today.
> >
> > Consider: a plastic jack from Taiwan (or other
> Asian
> > country) might cost a builder 15 to 20 cents per
> unit,
> > in lots of 1,000. The cheapest Switchcraft jack
> you
> > can purchase right now, in lots of 1,000, is $1.29
> - each!
> > But wait, it gets better: he not only saves money
> on the
> > raw parts, but he also saves even more due to not
> having
> > to pay someone to solder individual wires from a
> circuit
> > board to said jacks. Such a deal!
> >
> > Now, put yourself in the position of a electronic
> gizmo
> > builder. Do you use the more expensive part and
> avoid
> > repairs (and sustain customer satisfaction), or do
> you
> > use the cheap stuff, fund most (but not all!) of
> those
> > pesky warranty claims that come in, and whistle
> all the
> > way to the bank? That's right, you got it the
> first time.
> >
> > FWIW, about 40% of all my work over the last 8
> years or
> > so has been jack related. It doesn't matter who
> made
> > the item, if it has plastic jacks, their gonna
> fail,
> > you can make book with Jimmy the Greek on that
> one. <g>
> > I often suggest replacing the bad part with an
> upgrade,
> > if there's space available to put in the
> panel-type
> > jacks. More than half my customers have made the
> switch,
> > you can guess why.
> >
> > So it was a looooong word, sorry. <g>
> >
> >
> > unlunf
> >
> >
> > --- In , Ferenc
> Dobronyi
> <ferencnd@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > While we are talking about effects, or fuzzes
> anyway,
> > > I have a question about delays. My second
> Danelectro
> > > delay went down right before a show last Friday,
> and I
> > > will not be buying another, despite the fact
> that is
> > > is a great sounding unit. I can't stand the fact
> that
> > > the jacks are wired to the circuit board instead
> of
> > > the unit shell. This has been the point of
> failure for
> > > both units now. Stupid engineering-- the unit
> has a
> > > heavy duty shell, but why did they bother?
> > > The feature I am really looking for is the high
> end
> > > roll of that gives a delay the analog sound, so
> I am
> > > wondering what other people are using. No I
> don't want
> > > to carry my echoplex around, just too fragile.
> Ivan,
> > > weren't you using an Akai Headrush for a while?
> > > Thanks,
> > > ferenc
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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