Menu
some thoughts inserted....
--- In , "Neal S." <memoryover@y...>
wrote:
>
> thanks for the feedback ! your email, couldnt have
> come at a better time, because your basically telling
> me everything ive been kinda suddenly realizing about
> this last week.
I'd say my mail was about a week late, than... ;-)
>
> let me first tell you the signal chain of new sample
> 10$ mic > crate 1x12 (solid state amp) > the behringer
> eurorack mixer, 24/96 soundcard.
>
mic and amp the other way around I hope?
> I could not for the life of squeeze anything out of
> the POD. I did get one acceptable sample, but i had
> the Eq turned up on everything to the max, the POD,
> the board, and about 4 stacked module plugins. when i
> played quietly it sounded about the 'presense' and
> level of guitars i hear on cd. however when i strummed
> a chord it was all distortion because of the max
> volume.
if that's the case, there is very definately something fundamentally
wrong in the chain. come to think of it, was the pod connected to the
pre-amp (eurorack) in the right way? as in line-level out to line
level in, or mic level out to mic level in? (reading manuals is quite
handy sometimes too, in this respect)
sure you checked all your cables?
>
> so i gave it up for the mic/amp combo, and stuck the
> amp in my closet ( 3' x 3' x 3' with clothes ). my new
> saying i guess is "F the neighbors !"
>
> Now im very inexperienced at micing an amp, so im know
> theres still plenty of room for that. this particular
> sample it was placed about 2 inches from the grill off
> axis. like i said straight XLR into the mixer. no EQ,
> just whatever tone i got out of the amp. also into a
> reverb standalone VST plug-in.
allready big improvement in the sound, exept for the lows as
discussed ... my bet is it's the mic, really.
>
> i just bought a book ! its callled "modern recording
> techniques" by huber and runstein. so i got my nose in
> that. your right, i shoulda went here first.
>
> about the behringer/cheap gear thing. i bought the
> behringer, cause well, they steal schematics from
> mackie. i have a bunch of friends that use mackie i
> know that when i presented them the behringer vs
> mackie argument, they were only fighting my in
> 'reliability' not 'sound quality'. none the less, im
> seeing that it is crap.
>
I didn't say it was crap! I have both compressors and preamps from
behringer and they work fine. they do what they need to do, but
unlike pro equipment, they suck tone. not much, but when you build a
whole line of slightly tonesucking equipment, well, that will suck a
lot, right? that was my only point: be glad it's affordable, use it
scarcely.
by the way, I didn't get the impression from what i saw and read that
mackie was pro equipment, more like a step up from behringer, rather
than a league up. but i honestly don't know for sure. as far as
schematics go - that doesn't mean to much, it's in the quality of
components and preamps more than in the schematic, i don't think
behringer uses the same preamps as mackie in their mixers. again, not
sure. no experience with mackie OR behringer mixers, just saw that
the behringer pre-amps get put down a lot on home-recording forums.
> I subscribe to this free magazine called tapeop (
> which if your a home recorder, you should definitly
> get )
> anyway i recently bought their book of collection of
> articles ( surf content : they interviewd MOAM ) and
> it seems like almost everyone is geting great sound
> albums
> with a shure SM57, an ART tube pre mic amp, and a
> tascam 4 track. now surely this isnt expensive gear, i
> mean i could go buy all that used for probaly $150.
> what do would you say to someone presenting you with
> this data?
I'd say, thanks for proving my point. a mic that is pretty much the
standard in home recording as well as used a lot in semi-pro studios.
Just one budget preamp and a four tracker. Short line, no BS, good
mic.
these last 2 weeks, ive been looking to buy
> a mic pre amp, i have no idea what to get or where to
> start. ive also am going to replace the mic, sm57 ?
> Nady makes these starpower mics for 7$ that have been
> heavily compared to the sm57/58.
>
don't know 'em at $7 I'd say buy the mofo and check it out! sceptical
tho.
the SM57 gets adviced because it's relativly cheap (outside nady-land
that is), its good quality and tone, and it has proven itself - you
know what you're gonna get. but 7 bucks is enough of a steal to get
wild and give it a try, imo.
behringer has one channel preamps that are functional, and sound
reasonably well for the money. they sound better then most low-end
mixer preamps in any case. The ART's I don't know, but I guess they
are comparable, likely even better.
> finally, thanks for the sound/tone advice. im going to
> get right to work on your suggestions.
>
well, all this discussion is about working with an allready half
decent sound - your samples so far to my ears suggest there is
somewhere in the line a major flaw. not so much something that needs
improved, but something that needs repaired.
most likely suspects in my mind: $10 mic and a line/mic mismatch with
the pod.
with a decent mic and what you have already got you should come a
long way. - the behringer mixer's preamp should get way better
results than what you've got so far, with a decent mic.
btw, if you have friends with mackies, sure you have friends with
sm57's that'll lend you one for a night to check out and see what it
yields?
It'll be a while before i can record again, but in the meantime,
check out our website songs (recorded semi live, don't remember the
exact set up but guitars where close miced in any case. too much
afterwards reverb from the vs880 internal processor too.
on my contribution on the comp, if you have it somewhere, it was the
same thing but everything recorded seperatly. just mic into the vs880
and then some mixing and overall reverb added afterwards.
both times, for guitars we used samson SM58 copies. as i said, i'm
all about budget gear ;-)
so, when this done, we start on how to record bass, yes? ;-)
WR
> thanks WR !
> neal
>
>
> PS, if you or anyone at home would like to send me
> thier own sample of just a home recorded guitar, to
> show me what it should sound like, and the gear you
> use. that would probaly help me out.
>
>
