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thanks for the feedback ! your email, couldnt have
come at a better time, because your basically telling
me everything ive been kinda suddenly realizing about
this last week.
let me first tell you the signal chain of new sample
10$ mic > crate 1x12 (solid state amp) > the behringer
eurorack mixer, 24/96 soundcard.
I could not for the life of squeeze anything out of
the POD. I did get one acceptable sample, but i had
the Eq turned up on everything to the max, the POD,
the board, and about 4 stacked module plugins. when i
played quietly it sounded about the 'presense' and
level of guitars i hear on cd. however when i strummed
a chord it was all distortion because of the max
volume.
so i gave it up for the mic/amp combo, and stuck the
amp in my closet ( 3' x 3' x 3' with clothes ). my new
saying i guess is "F the neighbors !"
Now im very inexperienced at micing an amp, so im know
theres still plenty of room for that. this particular
sample it was placed about 2 inches from the grill off
axis. like i said straight XLR into the mixer. no EQ,
just whatever tone i got out of the amp. also into a
reverb standalone VST plug-in.
i just bought a book ! its callled "modern recording
techniques" by huber and runstein. so i got my nose in
that. your right, i shoulda went here first.
about the behringer/cheap gear thing. i bought the
behringer, cause well, they steal schematics from
mackie. i have a bunch of friends that use mackie i
know that when i presented them the behringer vs
mackie argument, they were only fighting my in
'reliability' not 'sound quality'. none the less, im
seeing that it is crap.
I subscribe to this free magazine called tapeop (
which if your a home recorder, you should definitly
get )
anyway i recently bought their book of collection of
articles ( surf content : they interviewd MOAM ) and
it seems like almost everyone is geting great sound
albums
with a shure SM57, an ART tube pre mic amp, and a
tascam 4 track. now surely this isnt expensive gear, i
mean i could go buy all that used for probaly $150.
what do would you say to someone presenting you with
this data? these last 2 weeks, ive been looking to buy
a mic pre amp, i have no idea what to get or where to
start. ive also am going to replace the mic, sm57 ?
Nady makes these starpower mics for 7$ that have been
heavily compared to the sm57/58.
finally, thanks for the sound/tone advice. im going to
get right to work on your suggestions.
thanks WR !
neal
PS, if you or anyone at home would like to send me
thier own sample of just a home recorded guitar, to
show me what it should sound like, and the gear you
use. that would probaly help me out.
--- mono_tones_1 <> wrote:
> Hi Neal
>
> busy figuring out recording myself, I'm both
> sympathetic and
> interested in your problems. having said that, I'm
> for all practical
> purposes as unexperienced as you are, and my
> approach is 'from
> scratch', so, really, my advice can and perhaps
> should be taken with
> a grain of salt. - perhaps one of the more
> experienced sound guru's
> can elaborate on the points I'm about to make? btw,
> best tip is at
> the bottom so keep readin' ;-)
>
> your new sample sound a lot better indeed, BUT, it
> seems to me that
> the extra lows are very mushy, while the highs are
> still a bit thin
> and 'digital' sounding ... this might result in just
> adding mush to
> mix, because the well defined lows will come out,
> but the mushy lows
> might drown in the other lows... you'd have to check
> it in a mix
> though.
>
> i checked your recording line in the 'old' post,
> assume your still
> working with that gear. I noticed there is quite a
> lot there, and
> most if not all not professional level. Now, I work
> with the same
> kind of gear, and my theory is, that adding 'cheap'
> gear, will
> add 'cheap' sound. the absurdly blunt rule of thumb
> I use is "don't
> add anything that says 'behringer' till you really
> need it". and that
> doesn't just mean switch it of, but get it out of
> the signal chain.
> Not to put behringer or any company down (I'm using
> the name
> behringer metaforically here, cause everyone puts
> 'em down, but it
> goes for all cheap brands, adn quite frankly, I am
> impressed with
> what they can offer for little cash), they did a
> great job making
> recording stuff available for the masses, and you
> got to love that,
> and their stuff works pretty well, but still: they
> do have lesser
> sound quality then pro-stuff, you'll likely be a
> victim of
> inexperienced use, you have more cables, these
> things add to the risk
> that what your adding doesn't do what you want it
> to, and does do
> what you don't want it to do! that's at least my
> experience.
>
> there's a moddeler in your line - have you tweaked
> the moddeler's
> controls to the full, couldn't the problem be there?
> what kind is it?
> I have one built in in the vs880, and it's pretty
> useless for guitar
> (workable for bass tho)
>
> have you thought about changing the moddeler for an
> amp and mic? And
> before you say 'bedroom - neighbours', get this:
> Tres Manos from
> Dutch hiphop rockband Urban Dance Squad recorded his
> guitar through a
> battery powerd desktop mini marshall - you know, the
> ones that
> measure 3 by 5 inch ... mic in front - massive
> sound! (and this is
> not just internet urban legend - I sold the guy a
> guitar a while ago,
> and I asked about it.)
>
> and here's the best tip: buy a book on recording.
> Amazon has a bunch,
> for less then what a decent 12ax7 costs, and they'll
> do more for your
> recording then any piece of equipment. I bought
> 'home recording for
> dummies' a while back, and as crude and entry level
> as it is, it
> helped me understand so much about what the F i was
> trying to do.
> maybe someone has better suggestions for books.
>
> thanks for posting, let's keep this thread going for
> those
> interested,
>
> WR
>
>
> --- In , "Neal S."
> <memoryover@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > phil, and anyone else,
> >
> > ive been workin furiously trying to obtain a
> better
> > tone ! can you please check out sample9b.mp3 in
> the
> > NealCraptar folder in the files section ? let me
> know
> > if its more workable, or if i should go back to
> the
> > drawing board.
> >
> > thanks !
> >
> > neal
> >
> > --- Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
> >
> > > Neal, a quick listen displayed a really dead and
> > > colorless tone. The
> > > word that comes to mind is "brittle." Strings?
> > > Pickups? Amp?
> > >
> > > A quick look with EQ and you have almost no low
> > > frequencies (where the
> > > beef is) and no highs at all (harmonics and
> color).
> > >
> > > A quick monkeying with reverb pointed out making
> it
> > > sound powerful and
> > > rich requires solving the problem with the
> > > guitar/amp.
> > >
> > > Since you said that sample 2 was virtually
> direct, I
> > > am assuming that
> > > the guitar is the problem, either strings or
> pickups
> > > or they was you
> > > set your controls. If by direct you don't mean
> > > direct, but just mean
> > > ampo flat, then the amp may still be the
> problem.
> > >
> > > I can see why you're troubled. The only other
> time
> > > I've heard this dead
> > > a tone was once with Leslita of the Neptunas.
> With
> > > major doctoring, it
> > > only rose to marginally acceptable.
> > >
> > > Here are links to quickly doctored version. This
> is
> > > NOT what you'd do
> > > to fix this, but comapre to your originals. Even
> > > with the extreme bass
> > > boost I used, there's little beef here.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > --- "Neal S." <memoryover@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > alright phil and others,
> > >
> > > please help me out. there are 2 samples in the
> FILES
> > > section on this yahoo group. the folder is
> called
> > >
> > > "NealCraptar"
> > >
> > > sample 1 : is with head and cab modeling.
> > > sample 2 : is pretty much just DI without the
> amp
> > > modeling
> > >
> > > both were recroded with fat strat, some EQ (
> that i
> > > always use ) and a behringer mixer as a pre amp
> ( to
> > > match up impedence ) and a little reverb. Also
> they
> > > were run through a tube amp compressor, but with
> > > unity
> > > gain.
> > >
> > > now, ive never been in a studio, and have just
> heard
> > > the guitar coming through the monitors. how do
> my
> > > samples differ ? would you suggest i work on the
> > > modeled sound, or the strictly DI sound. or
> scratch
> > > both. and anything else you can think of.
> > >
> > > thanks, i appreciate this
> > >
> > > neal
> > >
> > > --- Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > that's novel - let's try it.
> > > >
> > > > --- "Neal S." <memoryover@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > thanks phil, i can try most of these,
> viturally of
> > > > course ! if i post some quick riffs of just
> > > guitar,
> > > > can you tell me how they compare to more
> > > > professional
> > > > recordin
> > > gs and how you might go about adjusting them
> > >
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