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No, I didn't "get you", Ivan. I did find dichotomy in your current remarks vs
your earlier Dick Dale attitude. I call that kind change of opinion "dynamic
thinking" and I live by it (but I don't recomend it for presidential
candidates). Sure you didn't besmirch Dick's talent in those days. I don't
recall you dwelling on Dick's talent at all. I imagine you may have qualified
your criticisms with an occasional, "Miserlou is great BUT..." followed by more
preoccupation with Dick's ego-based shenanigans. That ego can easily hinder ones
view of the great that is there. I'm just happy when a non-believer eventually
finds the real Dick Dale. Now you are veritable DD evangelist disappointed that
the scattered flocks appear to be more interested in distortion boxes or
something.
And then there are those who are still blinded by the "bigness" that is Dick
Dale. Big Tiki and Billy Blastoff, repent! You will be one of us!
-Stepford Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: ipongrac
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:50 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Nitro Fuel fails to ignite
God, so many great posts today!! Very cool! Of course, that
happens when I have no time to participate. Typical. Well, I'll
try now...
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Now wait a minute, Ivan,
>
> I remember a certain lead guitarist of the Space Cossacks who was
> much less enamered with Dick Dale being more distracted by Dick's
> ego, and when talk of Dick came up on the lists, he made less than
> complimentary remarks about the guy. So now there's a drought in
> Dick talk and you're not happy about it! Well ultimately I'm
> refreshed that you are now championing the King of the Surf
> Guitar.
Ah, Marty, you think you got me, but I challenge you to find among
all of those less-than-complimentary comments I had about Dick even
one disparaging remark about his music or guitar playing, especially
from the sixties! Nope, won't happen, cause I never uttered it.
I'll freely admit that between '98 and '00 I had had it with Dick's
antics at his live shows, all of his self-promotion, his twisting of
historical facts, his crap about indiginous people everywhere,
enviromentalism. (BTW, I greatly enjoyed his shows last month and
last year, but he's a lot better than he was in the nineties, I
think.) But none of that matters - what matters is the awesome
music he left us.
The point is, as I also tried to indicate in a previous message,
that as I made some effort to get to know some of his more obscure
music, I was richly rewarded, which is why I'm recommending it on
the list to the others. There are a lot of lost diamonds on those
six albums of his, that few surf fans know about. (Another
one: "Firing Up" - what awesome guitar work there is on that one!)
> I do get that your point is really about the lack of surf talk in
> general on this list and not so much about Dick Dale but keeping
> on DD, I'm guessin' Rhino, Sundazed or EMI could have released the
> Capitol albums. It's a mystery to me why they haven't.
It seems you all did a good job covering this. I agree it's
Dick's 'fault.' He owns the masters and for whatever reason doesn't
want to reissue the albums. We need an email campaign...
> Of course that partially 'splains why few in the group can talk
> about the albums and their deep tracks.
Right, I get that, but they're still out there and available. And
the bootlegs are around too. My point was to get people interested
in trying to discover that stuff. And I know SOME people know about
the song, as was shown subsequently.
> I was gonna say that lists devoted to certain artists as opposed
> to this list devoted to the whole genre, feature talk that goes
> much deeper into obscure album tracks. It does on The Ventures
> list that I host and The Shadows list but then I think about the
> Chet list that was goin' great guns and has sorta died out. Some
> lists seem to have a shelf life.
Well, these lists are what we make them. If people immediately go
off on non-surf tangents when a topic comes up, then nobody's gonna
give a crap. But if we consciously decide to stick to the topics,
it may be only a couple of people initially discussing something,
but that discussion may trigger further discussion and so on.
Obviously, conversation progress by following tangents - but as long
as the tangents are relevant to surf music, it's no problem. As
we've seen today, there are a lot of people that want to learn more
about sixties surf and there are some people that do in fact know
something or even much about it. I think I know quite a bit, but I
really want to learn more. And I do learn more from others, which
is why I'm here in the first place. But as great as many of the non-
surf artists are that have popped on this list discussions, I
absolutely believe they're discussion killers. People are not here
to talk about non-surf artists. So, let's all be a bit more aware
of that and a bit more focused in our discussions.
Also, people shouldn't be afraid to ASK QUESTIONS!!! If you don't
know something but have some interest, bring it up, for God's sake!
That's how we all get an opportunity to engage in some interesting
discussion, be exposed to some surf music that we don't know, and
learn in the process.
Ivan
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