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Yes, I agree that the same can be said about the Ventures diminishing
influence. It is true that the Shadows AND the Ventures influence on
any of the guitar heros of the late '60's early '70's including Jimi
Hendrix, Leslie West, Jimmy Page, Johnny Winter, Robin Trower, Rick
Derringer, Richie Blackmore was also about nill by the time of
Mississippi Queen. But the Ventures had already made their DIRECT
impact on America. By making that point about diminishing influence
of the Shadows, I am reinforcing that the Shadows didn't make a
significant enough impact on America either directly or indirectly.
I think we can also say that the Ventures harder edge, distorted
sound, early use of fuzz guitar wasn't quite as absent in the sound
of the heros that followed.
-Marty
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
wrote:
>
> --- In , "mctippens" <mctippens@e...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Looking at the big picture, The Shadows were a great band, quite
> > influntial in their part of the world though at a rudimentary
> level,
> > yet they didn't cause any kind of a stir in the U.S. The big
names
> > that sight the Shadows as an influence shook the U.S. BUT those
> big
> > names had bigger influences than the Shadows. Much more often, in
> > interviews of the day the chief influence mentioned was the
blues.
> > And even if some said the Shadows were an influence, the style
> they
> > played owed much more to other influences.
>
> First of all, the same could be said of the Ventures. Second of
> all, there were several guys whose playing was very much shaped by
> Hank, though of course other influences also were important.
> Gilmour once said that his style was a result of being Hank one
> night, and Clapton another. Slowly the two sides merged into his
> own style. Knopfler has a style that was, at least initally,
> clearly influenced by Hank (Hank was one of the first to use that
in-
> between pickup setting in England, the first time on record back
> in '64 - though he used it with a Burns Marvin model, which is very
> similar sounding to a Strat anyway).
>
> I think it's almost impossible to find a serious guitarist who was
> ever influenced by only one thing, so why should that apply here?
I
> think all of those guys that Hank got started thought of themselves
> as continuing the progression that they saw in r&r - towards more
> blues influence and heavier sounds. I'm sure they saw the early
> Shadows as part of that (and dismissed them when the Shads failed
to
> keep up). But the fact is that the Shads were a MAJOR influence
for
> most of those guys, if obviously not THE major influence. That
> should not detract from understanding the Shadows impact on the
> later Brit rock scene, which I think any of those guys would tell
> you was huge.
>
> Ivan
