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> What I WAS saying is that the Shadows actually inspired many more
> guitarists who ended up becoming legendary (even though many surf
> fans may not really like them) then the Ventures.
Ivan, someone would have to do a load of research to make that a
valid point. There are so many guitarists out there, and other
musicians who don't play guitar. Keith Moon has said that "Ventures
in Space" was his favorite album. I would think the Who(all tho I
dislike them) have made a bigger impact on rock than Pink Floyd, or
Queen.
> admitted, the list of the big-name guitarists that claim the
> Ventures as a primary influence is much smaller than the list of
the
> big-name guitarists that claim the Shadows as a primary influence.
>
Where are we taking these lists from? I really wonder how many of
those people would have listed the Ventures as influences as well.
I need more solid evidence to be swayed either way.
> but if we're talking about the
> evolution of the rock music as a whole (for better or worse)
there's
> no doubt in my mind that the Shadows had much more impact than the
> Ventures. I mean, look at these bands: Queen, Pink Floyd, Deep
> Purple, Dire Straits, etc., etc. Now give me the names of some
huge
> (non-instrumental) sixties, seventies, or eighties band where the
> guitarist claimed the Ventures as the primary influence.
(I'm sure
> there are some, but none come to mind.) So, I think the Shadows
> created much more rock evolution (again, in many cases for the
> worse) than the Ventures.
I don't think you can argue which band created more of a rock
evolution. But I think more people worldwide know of the Ventures.
Like Phil Dirt said, the Ventures impact on rock n' roll(and I hope
this is what you meant Phil) is more than just a list of Guitar Gods
citing Nokie Edwards as their idol(and there are A LOT). It's the
foundations they layed for young guitarists starting out, the whole
act that started the concept behind garage rock, pick up a guitar
and play. They were part of the driving force in America that
influenced these kids, and I think they were the driving force for
the Japanese kids.
Bill
