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The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame doesn't matter. Being in the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame will not make these guys any more immortal. And are
you aware of some of the bands in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? It
is like getting a Ventures video onto the MTV TRL Hall of Fame.
Chantays and Surfaris shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. But it is the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the only reason they are in is because
of it being a formality. Wipe Out is a crappy song. But more
recognizable than Walk Don't Run.
I use better in the sense of more energy, better songwriting(melody
and dynamics), and albums as a whole.
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> You're welcome to your opinions, Jacob, but you won't find much
support for them on this discussion group. Certainly none from me.
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That was very subtle at being terribly angry at me. Perhaps you should
have worded it like "I respect your opinions but I must stand
steadfast in my opinion that the Ventures must, beyond a shadow of
doubt, be admitted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame". Or you could
just do what you did.
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> One last thing, Jacob. You say the guys are trying too hard. Do
you have an ounce of empathy or compassion in your soul? At the
current age, (and likely state of health), just how many years do you
think they can afford to waste, waitiing around for those &%#@#'s at
the HOF?
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They shouldn't be wasting their last years or decade or two working on
getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Do they want to be right
next to Prince? They need to be content with their many millions of
records sold and the place they have in the fans hearts. I wonder how
much stress is on them in their pursuit to get into the HOF? Instead
of going out and collecting signitures spend some time with the wife,
kis, or grandchildren.
They should take some comfort in the fact that they still have so many
people coming out to their shows that support them.
--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
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> Jacob, you are welcome to your opinions. To those of us who
consider ourselves real fans of The Ventures, there has never been a
question that they are absolutely one of the dominant rock acts of all
time.
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> If measured on record sales, they were 6th in U.S. album sales,
during the 1960's, meaning that they appealed to a far larger and more
devoted audience than a large number of existing H.O.F. inductees ever
did!
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> If measured on "influence", two generations of rock guitarists, some
of them legends themselves, cite The Ventures as having been an early
motivating, and instructional force in their lives.
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> If measured based upon "hits", they charted in the Top 40 at least
three times, with Walk Don't Run (1960) #2 Nationwide; Walk Don't Run
'64, and Hawaii Five-O (1969).
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> The use of the word "better" in comparing other bands, is a matter
of opinion. Better how? In muscianship, song-writing, longevity of
career, number of active fans?
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> There's also a question of due-recognition and of the Hall of Fame
being fair and accurate in such recognition. Many people have
forgotten the name of the band, (The Chantays) who first recorded the
song "Pipeline", but they got their induction into the R&R Hall of
Fame, years ago, and were cited as having written and recorded one of
the most influential Instrumental tunes of all time. Likewise the
Surfaris, with "Wipe-Out".
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> Now, Jacob, not to take away one iota of recognition from The
Chantays or The Surfaris, if you were The Ventures, don't you think
you would wonder why a song that pre-dated Wipe Out, and Pipeline, but
is considered by most Rock historians to have been the most
influential, essential hits of the era - Walk Don't Run, has failed so
far, to get The Ventures, (who taught the world to play guitar) into
the H.O.F.?
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> A few years ago, Guitar Player Magazine listed the most essential
songs and albums of all time, (from a guitarist's perspective). The
Ventures were on the Top 20 list, NOT The Chantays, NOT The Surfaris.
Both the other bands had active careers that lasted but a few years.
(Yes, I know that both bands have resurrected themselves since the
1990's, and one can see them perform from time to time). The Ventures
weathered the onslaught of the British Invasion, survived the 1960's,
still responsible for Top 100 album sales 10 years after Walk Don't Run.
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> In fact, as late as 1972, they were the world's #1 Instrumental
Pop/Rock Band according to the Playboy Pop and Jazz Poll!
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> Most Ventures fans, including me, view the H.O.F.'s continued
ingoring of The Ventures to be a total travesty, an indication of
their unfitness to be an arbiter of what was or was not great, given
this patent lack of objectivity on their part, in steadfastly refusing
to admit The Ventures.
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> My opinion, based on dozens and dozens of other acts that have been
admitted to the H.O.F.
> is that by any objective standard, based on already-admitted bands,
The Ventures absence represents a glaring, scandalous omission on the
part of those who run the H.O.F.
>
> You're welcome to your opinions, Jacob, but you won't find much
support for them on this discussion group. Certainly none from me.
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> AllFame. surf musicians, and Surf Music fans owe a tremendoous debt
to The Ventures, and I for one, will continue to energetically and
enthusiastically support their way-overdue induction, at long last,
into the Rock & Roll Hall of
>
> One last thing, Jacob. You say the guys are trying too hard. Do
you have an ounce of empathy or compassion in your soul? At the
current age, (and likely state of health), just how many years do you
think they can afford to waste, waitiing around for those &%#@#'s at
the HOF?
>
> Bruce D
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