Rob_J
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Sacto, CA
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 06:31 PM
Where would you typically run a reverb tank in the signal chain when the following are involved?
I currently run my guitar into a Boss TU2 tuner pedal, out to a Boss delay pedal, into a '62 reissue reverb unit, and finally out to the amp.
This works fine, but on the rare occasion when a song calls for delay, if I kick on my delay pedal, of course it puts delay on top of the reverb coming from the tank unless the tank is somehow bypassed.
To bypass the tank, I have to either:
A. turn down all of the dials on the tank to zero, (my current solution)
or
B. switch the tank off, and then back on again for the next song (which I would think is not good for it).
Either way, it means screwing with the tank controls back and forth between songs. Not really a big deal, I guess. Just means one more thing to have to remember to do (and un-do) as the set progresses.
If I were playing a straight pedal board, (no reverb tank involved) each pedal could be stomped on and off independently, but with the tank in line, the "stomping on and off" is not an option.
Maybe that's just how it is?
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 06:37 PM
The tank comes with a foot pedal that turns it on and off. Also, you can buy an A/B switch to create a separate signal chain so that you can stomp on the a/b to bring the reverb unit in and out of the chain.
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zak
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 06:38 PM
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Rob_J
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 07:13 PM
Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees. I bought my tank used, and the footswitch was not included. I guess I forgot that they usually come with one.
FOOTSWITCH.
I knew there must be a simple answer.
I feel so stoooopid, sometimes.
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Ron-Rhoades
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 07:34 PM
Why take the tuner out of your signal path? Seems like every guitar player i work with has one. Just curious. Educate me please.
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zak
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diceophonic
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 08:43 PM
zak
Ron-Rhoades
Why take the tuner out of your signal path? Seems like every guitar player i work with has one. Just curious. Educate me please.
Most of them have vast tone-sucking powers.
Zak could you gives us some more depth on what brands/models are vampires that you may know of?
The king vampire is the reverb tank it's self but the difference is the drop in volume and not tone.
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zak
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 08:50 PM
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diceophonic
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 09:02 PM
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zak
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 09:04 PM
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Brian
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 09:25 PM
Zak your signature picture is causing great mental distress.
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zak
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 09:33 PM
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kick_the_reverb
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 09:35 PM
zak
[The secret word for today is
FOOTSWITCH.
Ahem, I have to disagree.
The footswitch is worthless. Try it out one time and play around with the mix and/or dwell, you instantly hear that the reverb tank effects volume and tone even when it's "off".
That's one of the main reasons I have troubled my self with switchable loops. I use a 5 loop from loop-master.com (or maybe it's a 6 loop):
http://www.loop-master.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=132
http://www.loop-master.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=134
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zak
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Posted on Sep 01 2009 09:41 PM
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morphball
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Posted on Sep 02 2009 08:03 AM
zak
Would it be better if I used one of these?
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Brian
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Posted on Sep 02 2009 08:34 AM
zak
Would it be better if I used one of these?
No, no it won't.
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estreet
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Posted on Sep 02 2009 10:15 AM
kick_the_reverb
zak
[The secret word for today is
FOOTSWITCH.
Ahem, I have to disagree.
The footswitch is worthless. Try it out one time and play around with the mix and/or dwell, you instantly hear that the reverb tank effects volume and tone even when it's "off".
That's one of the main reasons I have troubled my self with switchable loops. I use a 5 loop from loop-master.com (or maybe it's a 6 loop):
http://www.loop-master.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=132
http://www.loop-master.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=134
Ran
I agree that the tank changes the tone and volume even when you use the footswitch - but I set my amp to be right with the 'Through-tank' sound. If I switched the tank out by using a loop bypass, then the guitar would become suddenly too bright. Come to think of it ... i never turn the reverb off anyway ... only down or up for different tunes.
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SURFmole
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Posted on Sep 02 2009 11:02 AM
I remember last time the "favorite pedal" thread reared it's ugly head I mentioned the Peterson Strobo Stomp and got ripped a new a-hole because "real Surf guitarists don't need a tuner" 
That being said, the Peterson tuner has ZERO tone suckage (true bypass switch and is not in the signal path when bypassed) so as far as tuners are concerned, that's the only one I know of that doesn't suck tone. Besides, it's THE best stompbox tuner available IMO.
If you "wanted" to cure the reverb tank's tone suck it would be as simple as running it in parallel with the straight guitar signal by using a buffered splitter.
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zak
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Posted on Sep 02 2009 11:09 AM
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kick_the_reverb
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Posted on Sep 02 2009 04:31 PM
zak
kick_the_reverb
Ahem, I have to disagree.
The footswitch is worthless. Try it out one time and play around with the mix and/or dwell, you instantly hear that the reverb tank effects volume and tone even when it's "off".
It is as "worthless" as turning down the dwell and/or mix, as the original poster suggested. I think it is well known that the reverb is going to suck tone and overall gain when it is in the signal path, whether it is on or off. The footswitch is a whole lot more convenient than dialing it down to zero and then up again.
Disagree again...when dialing down mix or dwell down to zero you restore a lot of the original tone (not 100% of course), while if you just left them alone and pressed the switch you will still have major tone loss.
You and the others are right about keeping the tank on all the time, in my older band I needed to switch between Surf and Crossover/Hardcore sound on the fly, so I got used to having it on a different loop. I also needed to compensate for the major volume loss, which was another related PITA.
Theoretically today I wouldn't need to bypass the tank, but I'm leaving the option for when I finally get a fuzz pedal.
Ran
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