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Hey everyone, just thought I'd share our recording experiences with everyone in case there's any interest in how the process works - for us at least. We were flattered that Pete Curry (of The Halibuts and Los Straitjackets and many other bands) would accept our request to record in his personal recording studio - The Pow Wow Fun Room. Recently mentioned as the studio Joao Erbetta recorded his excellent CD.

We were already in SoCal as Meshugga had to play Tiki Oasis and Steve the bassist is in both bands, Tony just tagged along. Instead of staying Saturday night in the den of iniquity we drove up to LA right after the Phantom Surfers so as to get a decent night's sleep.

Around 8:30 we stop at Pann’s restaurant for breakfast, I love the architecture and the décor but the food definitely leaves something to be desired.

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I found that restaurants we went to – diners and burrito shops - are actually a little pricier in SoCal than in NorCal, which is not what I expected. I had a particularly sad pastrami sandwich at an all night deli that was $12 and maybe ¾” of meat on it. If you know jewish delis you know pastrami can be easily 2”. But I digress…

After our lackluster meal we head on to Pete's around 10 in the morning. Initially the plan was to go in and record mostly live but our 2nd guitarist Dr. Kilometers is no longer in the band and I'm forced to do all the guitar parts myself. As we start to get situated, Tony adjusting the drums while I’m tuning up and trying amps, when in walks Dave Wronski. Now I had asked him if he would come along since I knew that he and Pete are best friends, but I didn’t realize he lived quite a distance away. At the SG101 convention we had spoken and he expressed a lot of anxiety about the upcoming European tour and doubt that he’d be able to come to the studio as he had to prepare, which was entirely reasonable. So it was a big surprise that he walked in to Pete's and I’m really flattered that he made the effort to do so.

Pete seems to love brown face Fenders (and who doesn't?) and we had our choice of a Super, Bandmaster in a 1x15 combo, Princeton and (Dave’s new) Vibroverb. Decisions, decisions.
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What I found was the Super had a little more hair on the tone without being broken up and worked nicely for us, though I went to the Bandmaster when I wanted more clarity. I stuck mostly to the Jaguar for rhythm guitar as I figured I’d be doing more lead on the JM, though that ended up not being the case. On a couple songs where we were going a little more crunchy, Pete pulled out a Dipinto Belvedere –which happens to match Steve’s bass – and we put that through the Princeton – I thought it sounded great.

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Unfortunately it had some real tuning problems, but Dave took the matter in hand and kept tuning it for us until we were done, as it was rather tricky.

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We decided on the fly to eliminate one song so that left us with 12 which we finished recording the basic tracks – all live – in about 7 hours, which we were pretty happy about. At that point Dave had to leave but it was a big help having him there helping us make decisions and just enjoying his company too. I wish we would have been able to get him on the record, maybe when I return to finish.

Then it was my turn to sit at the organ for 3 songs. Apparently what ever I was doing on the organ seemed pretty funny as Tony Steve and Pete were all cracking up the entire time.

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I don’t know what was so funny but I was really happy playing that Hammond organ. What a piece of engineering, how a machine can produce such a soulful sound. You can see the Farfisa mini-compact behind me, I used that on a song too. I gotta get one of those little guys, like Matti from Laika used.

After the organ parts we called it a night, ate and then trudged back to Motel 6, tired but feeling good about our day's work. Had a decent night’s sleep and headed out to Dinah’s coffee shop, where I went with Pollo last time. Pete also recommended it as far better than Panns, he was right.

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We promptly showed up at Pete’s again at 10 and I was anxious to get to work, but we had some technical problems with the recording equipment so we had to work that out for a little while. Eventually it was showtime and I wish I could say I just nailed each song but in fact I had some trouble. When you’re under the self imposed magnifying glass every little odd noise or stray note seems amplified and glaringly obvious.

I quickly dropped my threshold for perfection just to keep moving forward. Pete wouldn’t let me keep a bad take I’m sure so they’re probably fine, but being as neurotic as I am I’ll probably always wince at the little clams that I know are hidden there. I can see why he was so keen on recording the whole band live, I think the adrenalin of playing as a unit kicks up your concentration a notch while counteracting the anxiety of playing all by yourself. Nothing I can do about that though.

We did decide to make the most of different guitars and I pulled out some vintage Jaguars, Jazzmasters, Strat, 12string, Baritone, Acoustic, Dipinto, and even a lap steel. I have to say that I tried to play a song on the Strat and Pete thought it sounded all wrong and insisted I switch back to Jaguar – sorry Ivan ;)

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Maybe I’ll try again in session 2. We also fooled around with running direct to the board for a kind of Ventures 64 sound. I thought we’d spend a lot of time on reverb but Pete says when we mix we can run the signal through the amps and reverbs again and dial it in, so we just kept it at a reasonable level for the raw tracks. Same with echo, he prefers a reel to reel he has dedicated as an echo to the echoplex, we fooled around with it just to see how it’ll sound. I liked it.

I also got to fool around with the recording process a little. On one song we wanted some spacey effect, live we usually use a bottle neck and run up and down octaves on the high E string. Here I used a lap steel, and ran it through the echo chamber, accenting all kinds of squiggly notes, then we added castanets through the echo chamber too – a touch of Joe Meek you might say. I could tell Pete was really getting off on it and I predict we’ll be doing a lot of this sort of thing once the leads are recorded. Added judiciously of course.

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After 8 hours or so I was getting burned out, and Tony and Steve were bored so I thought it best to quit while we’re ahead and give ourselves time to drive home at a still decent hour. We're scheduled to return at the end of September to finish recording and start mixing.
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The experience already inspired me to go back over my remaining guitar leads and work the kinks out. That way the sooner I finish recording them then we can get to mixing. I don’t think this record will be what anyone calls a masterpiece, but I hope it to be at least entertaining and to push just a bit on the boundaries of the typical surf CD.

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

ooooooooooooooh M3!

I can't wait for this on disk!

ed

Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

DannySnyder
Pann’s restaurant for breakfast, I love the architecture and the décor but the food definitely leaves something to be desired.
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Had a decent night’s sleep and headed out to Dinah’s coffee shop, where I went with Pollo last time. Pete also recommended it as far better than Panns, he was right.

Oh yeah, Dinah's is way better than Pann's!

I'm sorry, what was the rest of your post about?
Haha... I'm so jealous- What an amazing experience to get to work with Pete Curry and have Dave Wronski as your guitar tuner!
I can't wait to hear the recordings!!!
Best of luck with the ODs.
fd

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Tony, awesome shirt!

Danny, looks like a good time. I wish I was recording at the moment.

Awesome read! Thanks for sharing all of that, Danny. Would have loved to be a fly on the wall of that studio. Very Happy

Can't wait for the CD...

Don

Just 3 mics on the drums? Awesome. Can't wait to hear it.

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JetBlue
Would have loved to be a fly on the wall of that studio. Very Happy

Me too! This is exciting, finally a T-Men album!

Just curious, what song did you guys cut from the list?

Thanks guys, it's a pretty boring process actually for the spectators, not sure how much fun it'd be. Maybe you'd get a kick out of my grimacing everytime I flub a take Smile

Ben, we pulled out Time Enough At Last - which is based on a melody by the old post-punk band Monochrome Set. It's rather long and slow and too complicated to work out my basic track as I'd have to go back and forth between the rythm and lead.

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

DannySnyder
Thanks guys, it's a pretty boring process actually for the spectators, not sure how much fun it'd be. Maybe you'd get a kick out of my grimacing everytime I flub a take Smile

If you didn't grimace only you would know you flubbed I'll bet.

But that pastrami thing would really concern me tho.
Oh how I feel your pain Danny!!!! Rolling Eyes
That would have ruined it for a lesser man like me.
Cold cut style pastramis in South Dakota and on white bread Puke
But you overcame and I'm proud of you.
Put me down for one. Uh..album that is..
I anxiously await.
P.S. Any tee shirts with this one?

True New York style deli sandwiches are unfuckwithable. Neat studio pics BTW. Smile

Danny this truly blows me away wow I can't wait! did you re-record these? I love them to death! man I can't wait to hear the Hammond action.

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The Danny/Strat pic is begging for a caption!

Don

Let's see:

Johnny, we already have tee shirts, same design as before but in lots of different colors, in fact no 2 have the same color.

I should have gone to Cantors Deli

Kyle, yes we re-did those songs, though they're essentially the same arrangement.

The picture of me holding the strat is saying: "I tried" to Ivan. But feel free to fill in your own words.

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

This CD cannot get to our hands/ears fast enough.

Looking forward to the Tomorrowmen CD! Pun intended.

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Wow. What a great experience, minus Pann's breakfast. Can't wait for the new CD as well.

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Nice Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy and what a cool guitar tech Cool
Cantor's Deli while not thee best is a landmark...best dip sand's at Phillipes

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kenposurf
Nice Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy and what a cool guitar tech Cool
Cantor's Deli while not thee best is a landmark...best dip sand's at Phillipes

YESSIREE!!!!

Off Topic I know this isn't a sandwich thread bit I couldn't resist the urge. My apologies please..

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Last edited: Aug 21, 2009 13:28:47

Gotta love these band journals, can't wait to hear about part II. Be weary, people will be even more envious if we hear Dusty is tuning your drum heads.

Mike
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thanks for sharing Danny. Very cool process and nice selection of amps to pick from. Dave can tune my guitars anytime. haha.
Can't wait for the new cd.
hl

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