Question about Jaguar pickups

PhatTele

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Posted on Sep 14 2006 12:24 PM

Does the "claw" surrounding a Jaguar pickup perform the same or similar function as the baseplate found on the bottom of a Tele bridge pickup? Thanx.

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WaimeaBay

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Posted on Sep 14 2006 03:03 PM

can't say because i dont know much about tele's. Some people say the claws kill sustain, others say they have taken them off and found no difference. Many think the claw was just a fender gimmick with no real use. I am sure some more knowlegable people will add to or surpass my opinion.

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Brian

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Posted on Sep 14 2006 03:09 PM

The claw was supposed to somehow shape the magnetic field. I'm not real sure if it does anything though. There are a lot of gimmicks on that Jaguar...

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Fripperton

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Posted on Sep 14 2006 07:02 PM

The claw is designed to act as a sort of sheilding. One of the problems Fender noticed with the Jazzmaster pickups was their tendency to hum when exposed to certain electrical fields like the kind abundantly supplied by neon lighting. The claw around the Jaguar pickup was installed to concentrate the magnetic field of the pickup around the string and reduce the level of 60Hz hum. At least that was the theory.

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WaimeaBay

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Posted on Sep 14 2006 08:07 PM

lol good pic with the post.

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PhatTele

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Posted on Sep 14 2006 09:07 PM

Interesting.

So, aside from that claw, how are the Jaguar pickups different than a Strat pickup...or are they, really?

I looked up the Seymour Duncan versions of the Jaguar PUs. If you look at the PU chart on his site, the Jaguar-style data seems to match up pretty closely with the vintage-style Strat data.

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Kawentzmann

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Posted on Sep 15 2006 03:09 AM

Jaguar pick-ups are traditionally hotter than Strat pick-ups, they first had non-staggered polepieces and the polepieces are closer together than on a Strat.

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PhatTele

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Posted on Sep 15 2006 07:49 AM

Thanks. That's good to know.

So, I'm thinking that a set of Fralin Blues Specials for a Strat (maybe with a slightly underwound bridge) and some creative wiring would be a good approximation of a set of Jaguar PUs.

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WR

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Posted on Sep 15 2006 08:18 AM

PhatTele
Thanks. That's good to know.

So, I'm thinking that a set of Fralin Blues Specials for a Strat (maybe with a slightly underwound bridge) and some creative wiring would be a good approximation of a set of Jaguar PUs.

I dont think so. technically, the info on the SD website is completly inadequate to compare two vintage style singlecoils. great to compare a bucker with a tele pup, but that they both have approximatly same output and approximatly the same B/M/T really is too vague info to compare. I noticed the reasonant peak is about 1k apart, discernable difference. if you have an aparatus with parametric eq you could compare the difference.
eitherway, those pups have different freq-characteristics, and WILL sound differnet

apart from technical mumbo jumbo, I happened to have a strat in which I switched back and forth between ssl-1's and pups from a jap jag. The SD's make it sound like a strat, the jap jag pups make it sound like a guitar of dubious quality. absolutly NOT like a jag, even with jag pups. (and yes i did the rewiring, and I now these are jap pups. however, I have a jap jag with those same pups and they sound completly different - better, jaglike, in that guitar)

those frahlins are considered great pups I think (no experience) an dmost likly they will make your strat sound like a strat with great pickups. doin the rewiring will give you stratsound with added drip through a tank, not jag sound. if that's what your after, go for it. if your after jagsound, you 'd want to sub at least the neck (short scale) and trem system (different string to body contact, different string pressure on bridge) as well. better buy a jag than.

one more thing, check those frahlins for output... with anything that says "blues" I 'm always scared is extra hot (SRV style blues, texas specials) and might overdive your amp too soon.

don't get me wrong, Im not putting your ideas down. I now Ive been VERY happy with my pup upgrades in the strat. Just saying that in my experience, the 'rewiring strat' thing wont give jag-ish sound. it's the guitar, not just the pups.

good luck, let us know what you decide and how it works out for you.

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PhatTele

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Posted on Sep 15 2006 05:02 PM

Well, Lindy's shop is here in town, so I stopped by to talk with him about it this morning. He confirmed that the claw on a Jaguar PU is a type of three-sided shield...not hugely effective but somewhat effective (aside - apparently DeArmond PUs have a more effective version of this shielding). Other than that, Jag PUs are essentially the same as Strat PUs. I mentioned the baseplate idea, he thought that it was probably on the right track but wouldn't be completely the same since I'd only covering the bottom. However, that more focused tone you get with a baseplate could sound great in a middle position of a Strat as well as the bridge.

BTW - The Fralin Blues specials are not Stevie Ray Vaughan-type of hot. They are much mellower and sweeter than that. To get that hot overdriven Texas Special tone, you'd need to get the High Output series. They're a little over the top for me. I stick with the Vintage Hots (2% overwound) or the Blues Specials...both for Strats and for Teles.

Also, I wired up a Strat with a special wiring that I got from Jerry Jones. It uses a 24-lug 5-way switch to give you the following combinations: neck/neck+bridge in series/middle/middle+bridge in series/bridge. Those fat warm in series settings can be very similar to a Jag. You don't get that cool spongy tremolo sound that Jags and Jazzmaster get, but it's still cool.

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Kawentzmann

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Posted on Sep 16 2006 02:53 AM

In a Jaguar the pup-s are screwed to the wood. On a strat they are on a pickguard. Jags had RWRP, Starts originally not.

KK

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PhatTele Joined: Jun 05, 2006 Posts: 445	Posted on Sep 14 2006 12:24 PM Does the "claw" surrounding a Jaguar pickup perform the same or similar function as the baseplate found on the bottom of a Tele bridge pickup? Thanx. Top
WaimeaBay Joined: Jul 05, 2006 Posts: 969	Posted on Sep 14 2006 03:03 PM can't say because i dont know much about tele's. Some people say the claws kill sustain, others say they have taken them off and found no difference. Many think the claw was just a fender gimmick with no real use. I am sure some more knowlegable people will add to or surpass my opinion. Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19286 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Sep 14 2006 03:09 PM The claw was supposed to somehow shape the magnetic field. I'm not real sure if it does anything though. There are a lot of gimmicks on that Jaguar... — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
Fripperton Joined: Aug 14, 2006 Posts: 270	Posted on Sep 14 2006 07:02 PM The claw is designed to act as a sort of sheilding. One of the problems Fender noticed with the Jazzmaster pickups was their tendency to hum when exposed to certain electrical fields like the kind abundantly supplied by neon lighting. The claw around the Jaguar pickup was installed to concentrate the magnetic field of the pickup around the string and reduce the level of 60Hz hum. At least that was the theory. image — There is Surf east of Sepulveda. Top
WaimeaBay Joined: Jul 05, 2006 Posts: 969	Posted on Sep 14 2006 08:07 PM lol good pic with the post. Top
PhatTele Joined: Jun 05, 2006 Posts: 445	Posted on Sep 14 2006 09:07 PM Interesting. So, aside from that claw, how are the Jaguar pickups different than a Strat pickup...or are they, really? I looked up the Seymour Duncan versions of the Jaguar PUs. If you look at the PU chart on his site, the Jaguar-style data seems to match up pretty closely with the vintage-style Strat data. Top
Kawentzmann Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 1060 Berlin, Germany	Posted on Sep 15 2006 03:09 AM Jaguar pick-ups are traditionally hotter than Strat pick-ups, they first had non-staggered polepieces and the polepieces are closer together than on a Strat. KK — The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy. Top
PhatTele Joined: Jun 05, 2006 Posts: 445	Posted on Sep 15 2006 07:49 AM Thanks. That's good to know. So, I'm thinking that a set of Fralin Blues Specials for a Strat (maybe with a slightly underwound bridge) and some creative wiring would be a good approximation of a set of Jaguar PUs. Top
WR Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3832 netherlands	Posted on Sep 15 2006 08:18 AM PhatTele Thanks. That's good to know. So, I'm thinking that a set of Fralin Blues Specials for a Strat (maybe with a slightly underwound bridge) and some creative wiring would be a good approximation of a set of Jaguar PUs. I dont think so. technically, the info on the SD website is completly inadequate to compare two vintage style singlecoils. great to compare a bucker with a tele pup, but that they both have approximatly same output and approximatly the same B/M/T really is too vague info to compare. I noticed the reasonant peak is about 1k apart, discernable difference. if you have an aparatus with parametric eq you could compare the difference. eitherway, those pups have different freq-characteristics, and WILL sound differnet apart from technical mumbo jumbo, I happened to have a strat in which I switched back and forth between ssl-1's and pups from a jap jag. The SD's make it sound like a strat, the jap jag pups make it sound like a guitar of dubious quality. absolutly NOT like a jag, even with jag pups. (and yes i did the rewiring, and I now these are jap pups. however, I have a jap jag with those same pups and they sound completly different - better, jaglike, in that guitar) those frahlins are considered great pups I think (no experience) an dmost likly they will make your strat sound like a strat with great pickups. doin the rewiring will give you stratsound with added drip through a tank, not jag sound. if that's what your after, go for it. if your after jagsound, you 'd want to sub at least the neck (short scale) and trem system (different string to body contact, different string pressure on bridge) as well. better buy a jag than. one more thing, check those frahlins for output... with anything that says "blues" I 'm always scared is extra hot (SRV style blues, texas specials) and might overdive your amp too soon. don't get me wrong, Im not putting your ideas down. I now Ive been VERY happy with my pup upgrades in the strat. Just saying that in my experience, the 'rewiring strat' thing wont give jag-ish sound. it's the guitar, not just the pups. good luck, let us know what you decide and how it works out for you. WR — Rules to live by #314: "When in Italy, if the menu says something's grilled, don't assume it is." https://www.facebook.com/The-Malbehavers-286429584796173/ Top
PhatTele Joined: Jun 05, 2006 Posts: 445	Posted on Sep 15 2006 05:02 PM Well, Lindy's shop is here in town, so I stopped by to talk with him about it this morning. He confirmed that the claw on a Jaguar PU is a type of three-sided shield...not hugely effective but somewhat effective (aside - apparently DeArmond PUs have a more effective version of this shielding). Other than that, Jag PUs are essentially the same as Strat PUs. I mentioned the baseplate idea, he thought that it was probably on the right track but wouldn't be completely the same since I'd only covering the bottom. However, that more focused tone you get with a baseplate could sound great in a middle position of a Strat as well as the bridge. BTW - The Fralin Blues specials are not Stevie Ray Vaughan-type of hot. They are much mellower and sweeter than that. To get that hot overdriven Texas Special tone, you'd need to get the High Output series. They're a little over the top for me. I stick with the Vintage Hots (2% overwound) or the Blues Specials...both for Strats and for Teles. Also, I wired up a Strat with a special wiring that I got from Jerry Jones. It uses a 24-lug 5-way switch to give you the following combinations: neck/neck+bridge in series/middle/middle+bridge in series/bridge. Those fat warm in series settings can be very similar to a Jag. You don't get that cool spongy tremolo sound that Jags and Jazzmaster get, but it's still cool. Top
Kawentzmann Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 1060 Berlin, Germany	Posted on Sep 16 2006 02:53 AM In a Jaguar the pup-s are screwed to the wood. On a strat they are on a pickguard. Jags had RWRP, Starts originally not. KK — The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy. Top

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