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Ha-ha-ha, I remember cutting those out of tube amps and throwing them away! I regret nothing. There are some resistors and capacitors inside, nothing that can't be found at Radio Shack. Unlike tube amps, 9V effects don't stress the components hard enough to make them sound different. You will need the right kind of transistors, though, and the Fuzz-Rite has a reputation for not sounding correct if the transistors are wrong. Even transistors with the correct part number may not sound right, so some Fuzz-Rite builders measure the transistor characteristics and use the ones with the proper number (not too high or too low). If you want to spend time and money building a Fuzz-Rite, spend it on the transistors, not the passive components. —If it ain't broke, fix it until it is. |
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Thanks for the correction. Those modules are very cute! I'd still be tempted to throw something like that in the trash, though, but I would be sure to stomp on it first just to make sure it was thoroughly dead. The transistors need to be the right ones, and even original Fuzz-Rites are going to sound different from each other. It's not a good idea to spend hundreds on an 'original' circuit when there is no guarantee that the transistors are going to have desirable transconductance values. Now that you've told me that the Sprague assembly includes the transistors, this may be a clue to the origin of the Fuzz-Rite design. The first time I saw the Fuzz-Rite schematic I thought, "Why are people playing guitar through a flip-flop circuit?" http://www.techlib.com/electronics/flipflopflash.htm The second one down is very, very similar to the Fuzz-Rite circuit. The difference is that in the Fuzz-Rite, one transistor is linked to another through a capacitor while the other is connected to the guitar input. As such, the Fuzz-Rite is essentially a triggered square-wave generator, which accounts for its rather extreme sound. Perhaps the Mosrite designers simply took a stock Sprague flip-flop module and wired it up as a fuzz effect. Fortunately for Sprague, the flip-flop will work even when the transistors have huge variances in their characteristics. Unfortunately for us, the Fuzz-Rite is not very tolerant of these variances so we are taking chances if we install transistors that haven't been measured. —If it ain't broke, fix it until it is. |
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I have one of those first 200+ Fuzzrites with Germanium transistors. Amazing tonal opportunities! Both, with, and with out the "Attack" knob turned up. I think a Fuzzrite with the "Attack" turned down can produce a very similar sound to Jimi Hendrix's "All Along The Watchtower". I've recorded a spy type theme with the fuzz effect that the tone still trips me out. Getting a clone to ACT, not only sound right, is the elusive quest that I've not seen accomplished yet. ~ dave |
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I have an original Fuzz-Face and it makes the random sputtering fuzz sound. It's a later version with the silicon transistors. Years ago, tried to build a copy by carefully measuring all of the components. My copy was pretty fuzzy, but it was smoother and the random sputter was gone! Maybe I should give the Fuzz-Rite a try. I don't use fuzz very often but I probably should, if only to add some variety to the setlist. —If it ain't broke, fix it until it is. |
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"it is supposed to sizzle and sputter and decay unpredictably. Some of us actually enjoy those aspects of the Fuzzrite." Oh yes we do indeed |
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I record with mine through a very dark sounding Fender 600 amp{original tweed}. Lately, I've found very nice combinations running into other boxes, then into my ac30 that take me firmly away from the True Path of the surf sound. I don't mean to hijack the thread.... carry on. ~ dave |
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So it's some resistors, capacitors...plus a couple of transistors Let me guess...this elusive circuit that's impossible or expensive to get is the best sounding of all the Fuzzrite variants...??? That's how it usually works with all gear...gotta have the cool rare one. — |
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ive been surfing the net looking for fuzzrite articles and i found this one so i signed up anyway ive been wanting to build a fuzzrite for a while but have held of because i wasnt to sure about the schematics found on the net. i was looking at the one found on the fuzz central site and was wondering if anyones tried it or knowns if its accurate? there seems to be a discrepancy between the schematic and the layout according to the layout the circuit has a 2m2 resistor can anyone confirm this? Thanx theres a link to the schematic |
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The 2.2M resistor is called a 'pulldown' resistor. It prevents popping when the circuit is used with mechanical true-bypass switching. It is not present in the original schematic because in the old days, most effects did not use true-bypass switching (the original Fuzz-Face did, despite what you will read on the internet). The circuit input was always connected to the input and the footswitch simply selected between the effect output (on) and the guitar input (effect off, or bypassed). The trouble is, when many effects are used, then many effects are connected to the guitar and everything starts to sound awful. Of course, back when these fuzz circuits were designed, nobody was using a chain of effects so this was only recognized as a problem much later on. Anyway, adding a true-bypass switch to an old effect became popular at least by the 80's, but now a new problem surfaced. The Fuzz-Rite schematic shows the input coupled to the first transistor by a .05uF capacitor. If we add a true-bypass switch and turn the effect off, there is nothing connected to the input so a charge will leak across the capacitor and DC will be present at the input. When the effect is switched on, the DC will quickly discharge into your guitar (don't worry, it doesn't hurt your guitar), and the quick discharge will create a huge pop! into your amplifier! Adding the 2.2M resistor prevents DC from building up on the cap and prevents the popping sound. Keep in mind the original Fuzz-Rites don't pop because the guitar is always connected, draining leakage from the cap. A lot of vintage effect clone schematics will add the pulldown resistor at the input. I added one to my Crybaby because it popped like crazy when I converted it to true bypass. It doesn't seem to cause an audible difference so the cloners don't worry about it too much. —If it ain't broke, fix it until it is. |
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I hate replying to my own post because it shows how much I suck. Anyway, I looked at the pictures Zak had posted on another forum. I'll repeat it here but please don't think I'm trying to take credit for his work: http://www.mosriteforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=156&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20 Anyway, the photos show that the Phillip Bryant schematic is very different from the components actually used in the germanium Fuzz-Rite. Looking at the color codes, you'll see that these are the resistors used in the old circuits: Germanium-dark perfboard pics: 1-10M (brown-black-blue) Germanium-light perfboard and eyelet board pics: 1-10M (brown-black-blue) So there are at least two different versions of the germanium pedal. I wonder which one was built first? The pictures of the Sanner pedal show a lot of 470K resistors like the schematic we all see on the internet. The Ashbass Fuzzbrite is covered in goop so I can't tell what's in there. I have a feeling not many people know the what the 'real' Fuzz-Rite circuit is and Ashbass isn't about to give away the secret! Elsewhere in the thread is a layout for the germanium version. I haven't checked the layout against the photos but I would guess that it is accurate. I don't have photos of the 'masking tape' Fuzz-Rite and I have a feeling Fuzz-Rite owners are too afraid of peeling off the tape! Of course, no one seems to know what is inside of those Sprague modules. I can look through my old reference books but I doubt I'll find anything. If someone wants to donate one of those modules, I'll take it apart to see what's in there. —If it ain't broke, fix it until it is. |
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cool, thanx for answering that. i was looking at ashbasses fuzzbrite and on their website they claim the ashbrite "is not based on the incorrect schematics available on the internet" |
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replaceablehead im looking for the same info i know it would be an easy build if i knew what the right components were. I built the shin ei kit from GGG and they say they will eventually have instructions for a fuzzrite which is supposed to be quite similar. If i knew more id do what this guy did http://cgi.ebay.com/Proto-Fuzz-Shin-Ei-Companion-Mosrite-Fuzzrite-Hybrid_W0QQitemZ200322251308QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item200322251308&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50 |
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The problem is determining WHICH out of all the variants is the "correct" one to build! ?? Some are Germanium, some aren't, some are encased in orange crud...BJB says there are even multiple variants of the same type (Ge) circuit! I think I'm personally just going to build a ShinEi and call it "good". I only need one brand or variation of a crappy sounding Fuzz and from everything I've read (and heard from clips) it will get the sound I'm after. — |
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I am in the middle of building a germanium fuzzrite clone. If any one has an original, please post some detailed pics. I would really appreciate it. Last edited: Mar 23, 2009 19:23:22 |
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Just curious...why'd you pick the germanium model tonetti? All my research as led me to believe that the Si is the one to build if you want the trebly/buzzy surfy sounds. I have a preconcieved idea that the Ge Fuzzrite is going to sound more similar to an early British fuzz like a FuzzFace or Tonebender. Dave's description of it sounding like Hendrix's "All Along The Watchtower" seems to support that theory as well. — |
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Holy crap. You could waste money on that, or just order the individual parts from small bear and build the pedal yourself for probably less than $40. — |