Jagshark
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 12:27 PM
A couple of things have been going through my head recently.
1 - Wipeout. Is it just a sped up inversion of "Let's Go Trippin"??? If you slowed Wipeout down a little it seems very similar to Let's Go Trippin" to me. Anyone know the history of how Wipeout was written?
2 - Was "Man of Mystery" part of the inspiration for writing "Stairway to Heaven"? Both songs have a descending minor key melody. Page was reportedly a huge fan of The Shadows. I know people will point to the Spirit song that is similar to Stairway's intro. But maybe Man of Mystery was a touchstone.
These are probably just stretches of the imagination. Or Are they?
Discuss. 
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Brian
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 12:33 PM
There is a pretty nice discussion of Wipeout on the Pounding Surf DVD. It basically came from High School marching band. 
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 02:19 PM
Jagshark
1 - Wipeout. Is it just a sped up inversion of "Let's Go Trippin"??? If you slowed Wipeout down a little it seems very similar to Let's Go Trippin" to me. Anyone know the history of how Wipeout was written?
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JoshHeartless
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 02:47 PM
Jagshark
1 - Wipeout. Is it just a sped up inversion of "Let's Go Trippin"??? If you slowed Wipeout down a little it seems very similar to Let's Go Trippin" to me. Anyone know the history of how Wipeout was written?
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well both songs are based on the typical AADA blues progression formula, but most surf songs are. they both also go from the root note to the 5th within the same time frames within the measures. but other than that, they arent similar in really any other way. with that thought, couldnt either one of those songs be taken from old country songs, which also share these characteristics? i never thought about it because to me the similarities in the songs are no more similar than any two other random surf songs.
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Strat-o-rama
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 03:04 PM
Yea, they are both I-IV-V progressions. Root(play riff 4 times)-the fourth(play riff 2 times)-the root(play riff 2 times)-the fifth-the fourth-the root(collectively the turnaround).
Pardon my music theory ignorance, but this is basic blues/rock and roll.
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Fuzzmeister
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Canberra, Australia
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 03:05 PM
If anything, the main riff in Wipeout is more similar to the main guitar riff in "Yep" by Duane Eddy.
But there's more to Wipeout than just the one riff.
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Jagshark
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 03:27 PM
Ah, lots of good posts here.
I've never heard "Yep" -- have to check that one out.
I was hearing the similarities between Wipeout and Let's Go Trippin more from a melodic and rhythmic perspective than song structure.
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JoshHeartless
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 03:54 PM
Jagshark
Ah, lots of good posts here.
I've never heard "Yep" -- have to check that one out.
I was hearing the similarities between Wipeout and Let's Go Trippin more from a melodic and rhythmic perspective than song structure.
i think everyone since my post has been comparing the two as a melodic and rhythmic perspective. i sure was.
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 05:02 PM
... but what I want to know is, was the beat tornoes' aquanaut inspired by Charles Aznavour's " La Mamma"...
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 05:42 PM
The real crime of this thread is that it actually made me play Wipeout in my mind to compare it to Let's Go Tripping.
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Jagshark
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 05:50 PM
LOL - sorry for the Wipeout crimes.
Maybe the headcold that has me by its grips has caused this silliness.
Or maybe just maybe ..... who knows.....there are some tenuous connections between these matters.
For instance, I think it's clear that Buffalo Springfield's "Mr. Soul" owes quite a bit to the Stone's "Satisfaction".
Musical evolution does happen, at times.
...someday I need to pickup that Pounding Surf dvd...
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ElMonstroPorFavor
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 06:01 PM
JakeDobner
The real crime of this thread is that it actually made me play Wipeout in my mind to compare it to Let's Go Tripping.
aw come on just because it's thee most recognizable surf riff doesn't mean it's a bad one
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 06:28 PM
ElMonstroPorFavor
JakeDobner
The real crime of this thread is that it actually made me play Wipeout in my mind to compare it to Let's Go Tripping.
aw come on just because it's thee most recognizable surf riff doesn't mean it's a bad one
No, it is a bad one. Pipeline and Misirlou are good songs, Wipeout is barely even a song.
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bigtikidude
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 06:41 PM
The guitar part from Wipeout is a scale practice Jim Fuller took from a guitar book. and the drum pattern/rolls are from a Marching band thing the drummer made up. they put them together and there you have it.
amazing? hardly.
hard for drummers to do the drum part correct? sometimes.
are you sure your not related to Tuck?
what's with wanting to connect things all the time?
just listen and enjoy, you guys are gonna hurt your brains.
its surf, not rocket science.
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UnsteadyFreddie
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 06:47 PM
Wipeout is barely even a song
but will you agree at least that it is a 'GREAT RECORD' (45 RPM)?
one of my favorites from that era, up there with SURFIN' BIRD
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 06:51 PM
UnsteadyFreddie
Wipeout is barely even a song
but will you agree at least that it is a 'GREAT RECORD' (45 RPM)?
one of my favorites from that era, up there with SURFIN' BIRD
Unsteady Freddie
No. Just because a song is on a record doesn't mean it is good.
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LHR
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The jungle
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 07:01 PM
Wipeout is a drum exercise. If you asked a drummer he or she might say it was even a good one. Drum solos have their place and a lot of people like to hear them. I figure it is the Stairway to Heaven for the drummer; they all know the break and may even feel a little guilty about it, but somehow they have taken the time to learn it. I am not a drummer, mind you.
From the guitarist's point of view, it is Mustang Sally. If you really dig the happy feel of the tune, it is an upbeat ditty. If you are a tolerant person, it is a slightly annoying but useful piece of the repertoire. If you are are less tolerant, it the ultimate tired surf cliche and antagonistic to the minor key stuff you enjoy. If you are a cynic, it represents an abomination against all mankind.
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UnsteadyFreddie
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 07:02 PM
OK, cool....
I think back to when I first heard this crazy wonderful song on AM Radio; I couldn't get enough of it
The 45 RPM, which I still own, has been played ad infinitum
I think it was and still believe it is one of the coolest 45 RPM's
to me it's more than just 'a song' that 'is on a record' - it is a gem
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badash
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 08:35 PM
JakeDobner
No, it is a bad one. Pipeline and Misirlou are good songs, Wipeout is barely even a song.
Wipeout evokes something primal in "normal" people, meaning non-musicians. Gary Glitter's "Rock and Roll part II" despite being half the song wipeout is in complexity is the same way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xd44PWZGzg Is that a Burns in the vid?
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UnsteadyFreddie
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Posted on Mar 09 2009 08:40 PM
why are non-musicians considered 'normal'? curious.....
anyway I play a little guitar, but nothing worth discussing; makes me 'half-normal' ?
to me, 'normal' is a setting on a washing machine, or a dryer....beyond that, I have no idea what that word means!
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