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i had a bunch of musicmans over the years. now i own a fender 30. its pretty rare and i got it cheap from a countryband that did nort need it. i got the reverb reapiared, retubed and it has a killer surfsound. itis ptp-by the way. i think if you look around you can find all kinds of good fenders, that need a little bit of care and will do the surfsound with ease. this is a bit off topic, isnt it?
eddie

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I am looking into the possibility of buying a 25 watt Fender Frontman amp for practicing with.

I like the fact that it has REVERB as well as a separate channel for hooking up a CD player so I can "play along" with Nokie, Jimi, Carlos and Yngwie.

I have read reviews on these amplifiers on the web and they seem to get good reviews from the guys who can write good solid English.

Has anyone here ever played or heard one of these amplifiers?

If so, what did you think about it?

SurfCat

Musicman amps work well for surf, they stay clean even at fairly high volume.
The ones to get are the early ones that use a 12AX7 tube in the phase-inverter stage, I think the chassis # prefix is 2275 IIRC.
I swapped out springs and deliberately mismatched transformers on my "sixty-five" 1-12 until I got a reverb sound I liked.
Anyway, I see 'em on eBay for about $400 pretty regularly.

I picked this one up at a swap meet last year for $180. I sometimes use it as one of my stage amps and I have it set up in the band room for the rhythm guitar player. Nice and loud and clean with a good reverb although not quite as drippy as some here would prefer. At 130 watts it can be quite loud and clean or you can use the half power setting and get a little less headroom with an extra helping of grind. It has 2 10s but can power an extra cab with no sweat.

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Yes it is the 2275 series

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There is Surf east of Sepulveda.

The guitarist from the Reducing Agents (my other band) plays one of those musicman 2x10s as his mainstay amp. It has some pretty good sound, but I'd agree on the lack of drip. He also uses a 2x12 vintage Fender cab as an extension.

All in all, I'd say if you can find one for that kind of price ($200-300), jump on it!

~B~

An important note about Musicman amps: as you turn up the input volume, the reverb effect actually decreases. But the input volume level also determines how much affect the tone controls have on the signal, so there's a wierd trade-off involved. I find that setting the input volume at around 4 to 4-1/2 gives me the best balance between adequate reverb drive and tone control. Any higher and the reverb drive is noticeably weaker.
Also, because of the high plate voltage of Musicman amps, tubes tend to get eaten up pretty quickly, at least most of the modern tubes I've tried. I've actually had better longevity out of old used-but-tested RCAs and Sylvanias.
In addition, the combo models tend to shake the hell out of the tubes which can cause them to become microphonic at specific frequencies (hysteresis loop). For this reason, I'd like to get a seperate head and cabinet setup someday.
Some Musicman amps have a tendancy to get overly bright and shrill, (although the 2275 chassis models are better in that respect) so the speaker selection is very important. You DON'T want a JBL unless you intend to use the amp to strip paint off walls.
As for the drippy reverb quality, the spring selection has a lot to do with that. I've got mine set up so that it only drips when I mute the strings and chicken-pick.

Search and you will find.
I haven't read the entire thread so I hope I don't duplicate.

Look into older Magnatones like the M15 A... The suitcase ones. some of those sound great!

http://www.vibroworld.com/magnatone/archive.html

Plush amps are also a GREAT find. a friend of mine has had several (don't remember the model), Tuck and roll cover and four 6l6s, basically a showman.

tom

THe NEpTuNeS

I have never played a Magnatone amp, though I own a Magnatone guitar, and what a silly little thing it is... it's a Magnatone Typhoon. If anyone is interested in finding out more about it, or wants to see some pics, let me know.

I will say, however, that if the amps sound anywhere as good as the guitar sounds, it would be a pretty awesome little surf amp.

~B~

surfneptune
Plush amps are also a GREAT find. a friend of mine has had several (don't remember the model), Tuck and roll cover and four 6l6s, basically a showman.

These are great! Look for the ones that say "Earth sound research" on them, as they are essentially the same. I have one of each, and they rock; killer looks, PTP wiring, great 'verb, clean, & loud as hell. They are still relatively cheap...for the moment.

Earth G-2000 (basicly a non-master Twin Reverb in a head. Plush made an identical version):
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Plush 3000B (an original design with 4 jumpable inputs like an old Marshall, and 6 6L6's. No reverb though, but EXTREMELY loud & clean):
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Ceck out http://www.plush-amps.com/

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THanks for the link!!!

I had a tweed earth twin in highschool, I remember it was brutally clean. and loud. Kinda wish I could see one again to evaluate it after all these years.

THe NEpTuNeS

Those are real nice too, more on par with the MusicMans (or early Peavey) with it's solid state pre-amp, and tube power amp. There is a local country picker around here who uses one, and it sounds perfect for that.

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Ahhh a hybrid.. that makes sense, that amp never gave it up, but I was into distortion all the time back then, might have been cool for surf!

THe NEpTuNeS

Its not a Fender but I got a Crate V50 Tube amp for $200 new and it has beefy reverb. Not tank quality but dang close!

When I bought my amp I was (and still am) on a shoestring budget so I managed to buy a used Peavy Envoy 110 (40 watt) amp for $100 that was only used a couple of months (still had the original box).

This is the amp with "Trans Tube Technology" which is fancy talk for solid state, no tubes in sight. Amp has a 10" Blue Marvel speaker. The amp has reverb but it is solid state reverb and is not very drippy, but muted strings still sound pretty good, but more echo than drip.

I don't gig (I can barely play!) but it has multiple settings (clean, vintage, etc.) and it sounds pretty warm with the neck pickup. All in all, I'm happy with it.

Not bad for the price, but an outboard tank is on the wish list when we find that elusive "extra money".

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nobody can tell the diffrence other than players, people love to drink and dance and have fun. 62 showman, or Crate g212...it makes no diffrence to them.

I sound like me no matter what guitar or amp I play through. Tone is in your hands!

I play vintage becouse it feels and sounds better to me.

97% of the time no one notices or cares about my gear, gear heads will give me a complament, thats about it. 100% of the time no one knows what my mosrite is.

Give me reverb or give me death!
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