badash
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
Posts: 1732
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Posted on Oct 18 2008 07:26 PM
So if you're playing what could be considered a classic, do you feel strongly about playing it exactly or do you make it your own. Let's say a song like Torquay. It's got what... 6, 8 notes  but there are rythmic pattern changes, and little spots where notes are left out, stuff like that to keep things interesting.
So when playing a bone-simple classic like Moto, squad car, you know what kind of song I'm talking about, do you stick to the original as you remember it or do you just follow the basic melody and feel and "improvise" your picking patterns and phrasing as the music moves you?
I like learning songs as recorded, but it doesn't take long before I improve/diminish them with my own little embelishments. Although I don't usually add tones that weren't there before. I'm talking phrasing.
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tommyalvarado
Joined: Jan 03, 2008
Posts: 512
Delaware, USA
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Posted on Oct 18 2008 07:58 PM
I try to put my own stamp on just about everything I play. Sometimes I alter tones, too. I might even change an arrangement if I think it keeps things interesting. In my opinion, it would be boring if everyone played everything exactly the same way.
Mr. Moto or a Martin Denny song with fuzz? Maybe not, but I'd be willing to give it a try. I definitely don't have a problem altering, adding, or changing notes or picking styles/structures, though. I guess I'm just not a total purist...
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Mel
Joined: Feb 25, 2008
Posts: 321
Canada's Wet Coast
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Posted on Oct 18 2008 09:48 PM
tommyalvarado
I try to put my own stamp on just about everything I play. Sometimes I alter tones, too. I might even change an arrangement if I think it keeps things interesting. In my opinion, it would be boring if everyone played everything exactly the same way.
Mr. Moto or a Martin Denny song with fuzz? Maybe not, but I'd be willing to give it a try. I definitely don't have a problem altering, adding, or changing notes or picking styles/structures, though. I guess I'm just not a total purist...
For sure...what he said!
— Mel
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CooperChupacabra
Joined: Oct 18, 2008
Posts: 36
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Posted on Oct 18 2008 10:15 PM
when it comes to surf i personalize pretty much everything i play if for no other reason than i cant remember all the notes!
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
Posts: 4464
Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Oct 19 2008 12:11 AM
I rarely do note for note covers of anything although I might try to nail some key phrase or hook. What happens with me is that I find myself rearranging the song, at least in subtle ways.
Much like Cooper, at least some of this is due to my own limitations. 
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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mom_surfing
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 5308
the outer banks of north carolina
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Posted on Oct 19 2008 09:59 AM
i try to learn the songs as close to the original as possible. then i listen to covers and pick little pieces out to add to what i know. lack of skill is my biggest drawback.
— www.surfintheeye.com
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Kman1
Joined: Aug 29, 2008
Posts: 694
Surf City
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Posted on Oct 19 2008 10:16 AM
I usually learn by ear, if there's no tab, but I add little tricks like bends, hammer-ons, pull-offs, and other little things.
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Sonichris
I also like to think that all early 60's fender equipment is happy to be playing surf music again. After all, its the music it was meant to play.
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donsdad
Joined: May 20, 2008
Posts: 169
NW Florida
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Posted on Oct 19 2008 12:49 PM
I don't have the skill to do too much improvising and even if I did I still prefer a simpler style. I don't see any thing wrong with a little of one's own interpretation however if the guitarist goes overboard so may the bassist and drummer.
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Staredge
Joined: Sep 27, 2008
Posts: 1149
Damascus, Maryland
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 09:36 AM
No two waves are ever the same.
But what do I know? I don't even play yet.
My attitude on covers in general is that the BEST ones keep the spirit of the original on board, but allow for the flavor of the person covering the sonng to come through.
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If your audience LOVES the original, you should strive to make them at least LIKE the cover. If they hate it, you changed too much.
— Will
"You're done, once you're a surfer you're done. You're in. It's like the mob or something. You're not getting out." - Kelly Slater
The Luau Cinders
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NoisyDad
Joined: Mar 04, 2006
Posts: 215
West Hartford, CT
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 09:47 AM
In the Aquatudes, when we learn one of the classic tunes, we always START note-for-note to learn the song. Then it always turns out sounding more and more like US as it evolves, especially if it requires some stripping-down or combining of parts to work with one guitar, bass, and drums.
— http://www.aquatudes.com
http://www.facebook.com/theaquatudes
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JeffLeites
Joined: Mar 27, 2006
Posts: 343
North Hollywood, California
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 03:23 PM
As I mentioned in another thread, I like to hear the variations that other bands apply to the classics, except for Wipeout. To me anything other than the Jim Fuller solo just doesn't sound right.
As for my playing, it comes out different than the original for several reasons.
1. I can't play as well as the original artist.
2. I often don't hear some of the subtle intricacies when I'm trying to learn a tune.
3. Sometimes I don't learn from the original.
4. I hear other covers that have an interesting twist that I want to use.
My version of Squad Car has been influenced by several different artists.
— My Web Site - Tunes - Pictures - Guitar Projects - Hard Rock Cafe Guitar Pins
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11058
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 03:28 PM
Kman1
I usually learn by ear, if there's no tab, but I add little tricks like bends, hammer-ons, pull-offs, and other little things.
Then you'll love Gary Hooey - check him out 
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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wooza
Joined: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 1618
Ithaca, NY
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 03:58 PM
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Kman1
Joined: Aug 29, 2008
Posts: 694
Surf City
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 03:58 PM
Ok. Did you mean Gary Hoey? Because he's all I found.
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Sonichris
I also like to think that all early 60's fender equipment is happy to be playing surf music again. After all, its the music it was meant to play.
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wooza
Joined: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 1618
Ithaca, NY
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 04:08 PM
Back on subject, I think I like covers most when they give the feel of the performing band, not the original song. Even if you don't play a cover note-for-note, trying too hard to replicate the feel of the original can still make a cover feel like the same end product. If you can put your own distinctively personal mark, beyond just a handful of extra or different notes, then you've got me interested. But then the rest of the equation is making sure your version is listenable. 
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Kman1
Joined: Aug 29, 2008
Posts: 694
Surf City
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 04:10 PM
wooza
Back on subject, I think I like covers most when they give the feel of the performing band, not the original song. Even if you don't play a cover note-for-note, trying too hard to replicate the feel of the original can still make a cover feel like the same end product. If you can put your own distinctively personal mark, beyond just a handful of extra or different notes, then you've got me interested. But then the rest of the equation is making sure your version is listenable.
+1.
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Sonichris
I also like to think that all early 60's fender equipment is happy to be playing surf music again. After all, its the music it was meant to play.
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zak
Joined: Sep 24, 2007
Posts: 2728
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 04:21 PM
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11058
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 05:01 PM
Hey nobody adds style to a surf song quite like Hoey  I think Khaled should hear him just to know what happens when a rock guitarist tries to add a little pizzazz to surf music. But Ben's right, buy everything ever put out by Space Cossacks and The Madeira.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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Kman1
Joined: Aug 29, 2008
Posts: 694
Surf City
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 05:06 PM
Danny, could you post a link, nothing on Youtube was musical, and this is what came with the Google search: http://www.napil.com/DisplayCountyDetail.aspx?id=1222&provider=2991&type=profile .
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Sonichris
I also like to think that all early 60's fender equipment is happy to be playing surf music again. After all, its the music it was meant to play.
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zak
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Posts: 2728
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Posted on Oct 20 2008 05:10 PM
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