starcrunch
Joined: Jun 02, 2006
Posts: 10
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Posted on Aug 03 2006 04:23 AM
Hi,
Im wonderin if you guys have some tips regarding good distortion pedals that work well together with the reverbtank? Currently Im usin a Danelectro Daddy-O and a MXR and cannot say that they are producing that satisfactory sound that I want.
What do you guys use?
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SurfBandBill
Joined: Mar 15, 2006
Posts: 1487
San Francisco
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Posted on Aug 03 2006 05:17 AM
I actually use the Daddy-O myself, and love the tone.
My recommendation on using it though, is this -- crank the volume all the way to the max, and use the drive control to get the amount of distortion you want. I found in my experience with it that the interplay of trying to balance between the two just doesn't work well.
Hope that helps a bit.
~B~
PS - I've heard a lot of people speak highly of the ProCo Rat, but have no firsthand experience with it.
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WR
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3832
netherlands
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Posted on Aug 03 2006 07:50 AM
Have you seen this thread:
http://www.surfguitar101.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=688
in general, I don't feel overdive/distortion works well at all with heavy reverb - best find a way to get less reverb when you want heavy distortion.
apart form that, I like the ones I posted in the other thread. you might also consider using a boost pedal to overdive the reverb tanks input stage or the amp's. if you have an effect loop in your amp, try placing overdive there - at least it will be after the reverb
just thinking out loud.
WR
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Jon
Joined: Mar 15, 2006
Posts: 1076
Columbus, OH
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Posted on Aug 04 2006 12:00 AM
I've always liked the Boss DS-1 Distortion Pedal myself, but I've never used one with my reverb tank.
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WR
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3832
netherlands
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Posted on Aug 04 2006 04:47 PM
what do you know? I was in the guitar store today and came across one of these:
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I tried it and was enough impressed to buy it - not for surf though.
anyway, just tried it with the reverb tank, and with 6-6-6 settings on the tank it worked very well - even with max overdrive. it gives quite a lot of drive, though not as much as a ds-1, but stays transparant through the reverb. it's very responsive to eq-ing before or after it, so there's enough to work with in that department, versatile. ... it's a beefed up tube screamer circuit I 'm told, and it does sound SRV-ish with a non surf set up. then with the reverb, with eq emphasizing the highs, it got a bit more distortion-like. with the jag on rhythm circuit, it sounded VERY much like Slash - played the intro to sweet child o' mine and the sound was pretty darn close. - but with way less sustain then slash, due to the jag.
anyway, a transparant box that works well with reverb. relatively cheap, and very small, which I like
WR
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Jon
Joined: Mar 15, 2006
Posts: 1076
Columbus, OH
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Posted on Aug 04 2006 11:47 PM
WR, are you saying that you've used the DS-1 with the reverb tank before? I've been thinking of getting one; they're only $30-$40.
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RobbieReverb
Joined: Feb 28, 2006
Posts: 2349
San Jose, Ca.
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Posted on Aug 05 2006 12:50 AM
I know I sound like a Reverend commercial , but I think
the Reverend Drivetrains (particualrly the Drivetrain II's) are out-
standing. They're more full-range, touch sensitive and trans-
parent than a tube screamer. With the gain all the way down,
they're a very good clean-boost. You won't go anywhere near
the"metal zone" with a Drivetrain, but for just about anything
else they're great. the bad news?... Reverend quit making them
about 2 years ago. I see quite a few on E-Bay going for around
$100, which I feel is a bargain for a pedal of this quality.
Robert Keeley's mods to Boss DS-1's, SD-1's, BD-1's, ProCo
Rats, VoodooSparkle Drives, and tube screamers are
deservedly legendary. Every pedal I've bought from, and every
pedal I've had modded by Keeley has been top-notch.
He's not inexpensive, but to me the extra cost is well worth it,
and waaaaaay less expensive than current prices of vintage
pedals.
It ultimately boils down to what sound you want, and what is
your budget. Try as many different pedals as you can (You can
try out Keeley's pedals and return for a refund if not satisfied in
any way). Happy hunting!
Bob S.
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WR
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3832
netherlands
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Posted on Aug 05 2006 02:11 AM
Jon
WR, are you saying that you've used the DS-1 with the reverb tank before? I've been thinking of getting one; they're only $30-$40.
I've played with a ds-1 for years and years in former bands - not with a tank but with heavy onboard reverb. what can I say, it worked, but not as good as the others mentioned.
in general I now prefer overdrives over distortions, it's not a bad pedal, just dull like all boss pedals - much like canned spaggeti-sauce - it's made for the masses, no one will think it's disgusting, no one will go wild about it.
the keeley mods I don 't know about, but I 'll gladly take Robbie's word for it - they are more exclusive here in Europe.
If you do a websearch, you'll find a dozen or more 'tube-screamer' "boutique" rip-offs, at way less of what a new tube screamer costs, let alone a vintage one. that pro-blues is $109 webprice, there's a german guy that makes one for E80 or so. plenty more.
I don't know that reverend thing Robbie talks about , but eveyone's always going crazy over their amps, so i'm guessing the pedal is awesome too. If I hadn't bought two overdrives this week allready I might check it out
if it has to be as cheap as possible, i strongly suggest checking out that behringer. I know they look like toys and some of them sound like toys too, bu that tube-ovrdive is really really good. build a $15 true bypass box and you have a great overdrive. better yet, find a stor ethat has the ds-1 AND the behringer, and compare them. both ar ebudget options, both are good, soundwise my preference would be the behringer, though you cnat beat the build quality of boss.
WR
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Redd_Tyde
Joined: Apr 23, 2006
Posts: 260
Oceanside, CA
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Posted on Aug 08 2006 02:48 PM
Distortion and Reverb...
I change my distortion or fuzz pedal as often as underwear.
It ultimately boils down to my mood (for the pedal, not for changing my underwear).
In most cases I am using the pedal to give the guitar a different tone without having to switch pick up positions. So here is the bunch I change through on a daily basis-
My favorite, but does not work well live is a Vox Crybaby/Fuzz (Thomasville Organ Co. model from the 60's). It sounds great with the tank but I can't adjust volume without taking off the bottom plate.
These next two are what I use most often
Marshall Blues Breaker - I prefer this one the most as it is simple and has a warm drive sound.
Dano - Daddy-O - close to the Marshall a little more gritty when the drive level gets closer to 12 o'clock
I really like the Big Muffs for that garage sound. I keep the sustain at about zero and the tone is around 2 o'clock. A Rat Pedal sounds very similiar.
I like the Boss MT2 with the distorion at about 9 oclock and the mids (both knobs at 12 o'clock). It is a brighter sound with a little teeth to it. Good pedal for harmonics, artificial or natural. It says it is a pedal for Metal but it really has a lot of fine tuning capabilities.
Others I mess with are the Boss Turbo Distortion but it is a noisy pedal and the Ibanez TS9 - good but not quite as good as the Marshall. I have some sub $50 pedals laying around too. But they just gather dust.
Everytime I change gutairs the pdeals react completely different. So, ultimately it comes down to what satisfies you. I always think about getting the Line 6 Distortion modeler. The gold one with 4 switches just have even more options live. Plus I have been quite hapy with the delay modeler (DM4) they made.
_Redd
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voodoodentists
Joined: May 21, 2006
Posts: 62
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Posted on Aug 08 2006 04:49 PM
How about Fuzz pedal preference with a tank or at least a spring reverb boing. ?????
I'm interested in your views.
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SurfBandBill
Joined: Mar 15, 2006
Posts: 1487
San Francisco
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Posted on Aug 08 2006 05:43 PM
I've found fuzz and reverb a really difficult pairing. I use a VerbaFuzz, which is the bomb, as far as I'm concerned, but I don't think I'd ever put both in for an entire song. I just kick the fuzz on once in a blue moon for a little more over-the-top drive.
Generally, I like my fuzz like I like my martinis (and my humping ) -- dry
~B~
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WR
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3832
netherlands
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Posted on Aug 09 2006 04:01 PM
yeah, verbafuzz is awesome. Also one of the best looking pedals I own. I got one too (hotrodded with a led, even!)
btw, both verbafuzz and soulbender have internal trimpots which are intended to match 'em to the guitars output level (esp humbuckers v. sc's) - they effectively function as a 'smoother', i.e. you can dial in more 'creamyness' or more 'grittyness' ... I have the verba on gritty and the bender on cream - found that creamier types of fuzz go better with the heavy reverb.
to the original poster: if you are seriously considering one of the below, I could do you an mp3 soundsample of it with heavy reverb - would have to know by tomorrow though, because I 'll be out of town for the two weeks after that. don 't have time to do 'em all. (seeing these things together makes methink I might need to unload a couple )
WR
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banzai142001
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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Carlsbad, CA
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Posted on Aug 16 2006 04:40 PM
I use a Seymour Duncan SFX03 Twin Tube Classic. Excellent tone and can make your single channel amp a double.
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