NicholausLee
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Ypsilanti, MI
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:34 AM
Just wondering, since most of the people on this forum are musicians, how do people feel about file sharing?
Personally, I'm for it. I download music, and I upload the music I make to as many free download sites or services that I know of. I still buy tons of music as well. Basically, downloading to me is like sampling stuff. I've downloaded lots of stuff I was curious about that turned out to be something that I really didn't care for, had I spent the $10-$15 plus shipping for those CD's I would've been very disappointed. On top of that, by being able to download music and find out if I like it, then buying only those things I like, I feel that I'm supporting music I like much more than when I would buy CD's out of a mere curiosity.
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zak
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:44 AM
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ShaunNecro
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Bay City (Michigan)
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:51 AM
I download music mostly to sample it as well. I've spent hundreds on cds I hated, and wanted to stop doing that.
However, if it is a band (or genre) that I support, I will always buy cds to help as much as I can.
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surfer
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South Florida
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:52 AM
The problem is that because of free downloads, the cost of actually seeing a band live has exploded. If you never leave the house, free downloads are great, but if you want to see a band live it'll cost you $250.00. I'd rather pay for the CD, have the cover art and liner notes and be able to afford a beer at the show.
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zak
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:54 AM
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ShaunNecro
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:00 PM
zak
surfer
if you want to see a band live it'll cost you $250.00.
HUH???
What live bands are you talking about?
I think live bands like that are more of a high demand band. The most I've ever payed for tickets is $25.
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zak
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:03 PM
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ShaunNecro
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:12 PM
zak
Maybe he's talking about some kind of geriatric "classic rock" band doing a reunion/farewell tour?
Bands like The Eagles go for that much (and higher), but I doubt that has much to do with downloading.
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zak
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:18 PM
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ShaunNecro
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:19 PM
zak
You'd have to PAY me more than that to sit through even one half of an Eagles concert. But I would consider it if I had the opportunity to hurrl rotting vegetables...or something even heavier!
Cinder blocks!!! 
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surfer
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South Florida
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Posted on May 29 2008 01:18 PM
A week ago, the last Police show in the states....$250 for a seat, $125 to sit in the grass with a telescope. Obviously not all shows are that expensive, but Foo Fighters a couple of months ago cost me $80, way in the back. As much as we all love Rolling Stone, Clive Davis addresses this in an interveiw a few issues back, the record industry is hurting because of downloads. I bet if you guys just happened to hit on a successful CD release of your band, that you would want to be paid for your art.
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Ruhar
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San Diego, CA
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Posted on May 29 2008 01:25 PM
I do my fair share of downloading music as well. As a musician in a current band, I definitely try and buy as much music as feasible from the artist and am much more interested in getting rare/out of print stuff on the web. That being said, its difficult to manage the complexity of file sharing though. You either futilely try and prevent it, don't participate in it, or use some good judgment in what you actually download free vs. pay for.
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zak
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Posted on May 29 2008 01:29 PM
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SURFmole
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Posted on May 29 2008 01:40 PM
surfer
Clive Davis addresses this in an interveiw a few issues back, the record industry is hurting because of downloads. I bet if you guys just happened to hit on a successful CD release of your band, that you would want to be paid for your art.
Well...the way I see it, the problem is multi fold.
Yes, the record industry is hurting; but why is that a bad thing?  The record industry has made a career out of ripping off both consumers and artists for years. Finally, the consumers have gotten fed-up with $20 CD prices and the artists are tired of making $1 off of a $20 CD...then there are the 'mom and pop' record stores that have to pay $16 for the CD they will sell for $20 while WalMart can afford to sell the same CD for $10.
Also there are the audiophiles (myself included) that have been screwed for years with sub-par re-releases of albums that have been poorly mastered and/or repackaged. These same "Audiophiles" might like the convenience of downloading in digital format but don't want to be forced into the lossy MP3 files which the record industry has shoved at the masses. When will the record industry offer lossles downloads?...probably well after the artists start selling them directly themselves.
Hopefully I'll live to see the day where I can download directly from the artist in high quality lossless format, then create my own "product" at home in multiple formats for my personal use...with all profits going directly to the artist.
The biggest things hurting the record industry (in my opinion) is their greed and their unwillingness to provide higher quality new music and recordings. They can only live on their back catalog reissues so long...
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dp
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mojave desert, california
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Posted on May 29 2008 01:45 PM
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...this is what they used to do with pirates...to the gibbet with ye! arrrgghhh!
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Stormtiger
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Ventura, CA
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Posted on May 29 2008 01:46 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, "musician" seems to be the only profession where the people paying you seem to think the price is somehow negotiable.
You can add illustrator/graphic artist or whatever you want to call it to that. Wages/fees are about the same as 30 years ago and everyone with a computer thinks they can do the job now so you're lucky to land a job at all.
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diceophonic
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Posted on May 29 2008 02:35 PM
I'm against it!
I don't need to tell you this because yall should already know this but if not something is wrong so anyways now a days you can sample a short clip before you buy and a 100% of MP3 store have this feature if you don't dig the whole album just buy the individual tracks very simple and your helping out the artist or band that worked their ass's off to write and record etc... what if you were on the other side of the table "The Artist" you would want everyone to pay and it's not cool to see freebee pirate sites out there with your works.
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MadScientist
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on May 29 2008 03:04 PM
Stormtiger
I've said it before and I'll say it again, "musician" seems to be the only profession where the people paying you seem to think the price is somehow negotiable.
You can add illustrator/graphic artist or whatever you want to call it to that. Wages/fees are about the same as 30 years ago and everyone with a computer thinks they can do the job now so you're lucky to land a job at all.
It's good that you brought this up Stormtiger, as I am also in the graphic arts field. Music and the arts are going through a bit of a technological revolution at the moment, and if there is no adaptation, then the growth and the opportunities dry up. I buy when and where I can, and I download other times, but when I do buy, I do my best to go to the source. Like someone earlier mentioned, there's TONS of overhead in the music business, and the artist gets paid LAST. I happen to think that this little revolution is correcting that. The record companies are crapping their pants because their antiquated way of doing things is starting to fail and new technology is taking over (a technology that doesn't always need them). The same thing is going on with filmmaking and animation (my field). Expression will find a way to get out there. It escapes. As long as there is someone to reach out and grab it. Trying to get compensation for it is the tough part. It's easier than ever to get stuff out there, and we are all just trying to find a way to keep track of it so we can benefit from our product. It's never going to stop. It's never going to go away. We've just got to find a way to work with it. Sitting around pointing fingers just gets people upset. It's no one's fault, and it's everyone's fault. Let's find a way to make it work. This is where entrepreneurs shine! Find a need and fill it! 
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surfmuse
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Santa Cruz or Waikiki
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Posted on May 29 2008 03:12 PM
Although I personally don't advocate music piracy, I don't buy the argument that the reason some top tier music icons are charging so much for concerts is due to loss of revenue caused by web based pirating. These rates are a result of our supply and demand driven economy: greed rules. Concert promoters will be charging this much as long as the shows are selling well. This was the case before the internet (popular musicians charging an arm and a leg to see them live) and somehow there are still plenty of people in this country with that kind of expendable income (or should I say credit availability) and desire to fill enough seats.
Having said that, I also really appreciate having access to live music recordings that usually don't make it into a sellable format. Often the results are interestingly different than the studio versions. If those started showing up as buyable CDs, say with superior sound quality, but still capturing the freshness and development of the songs that can happen in the live performance realm, I would certainly be inclined to buy those in addition to the studio versions. This also applies to out of print CDs that are also not available on iTunes, but may be available elsewhere on the internet.
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NicholausLee
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Ypsilanti, MI
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Posted on May 29 2008 03:34 PM
Such a hot button type of a subject. I still stand by being able to listen to an entire album before having to buy it. One site that I think is truly amazing right now is http://www.hulu.com/ . They aren't broadcasting music, but TV shows and movies. Completely free and legally. They do this by making money through advertising, just like normal television.
Just an off the top of my head type of idea, what if you could download free albums, but with advertising for other albums between the songs, or maybe at the beginning and ending of the album.
I think that most of the people downloading music would be much happier doing it legally if the music industry would make it easy for them.
I also agree though, ticket prices aren't a reflection on people downloading music, that's just a result of greed.
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