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how is the Economy and gas prices going to affect surf
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:07 AM
Just wondering..... since the turn out for the South Bay Surf Stomp and some other shows recently has been kinda low. and also is this going to affect the bands that are considering touring? —Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:10 AM
bigtikidude asks a good question. However, I always thought that SG101 was my Bat Cave away from the problems of the world. |
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25582 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:13 AM
sorry for bringing up a negative issue, I know that my wallet is already hurting, Jeff(bigtikidude) |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5097 San Francisco
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:26 AM
It definitely hurts touring bands and it is a really vicious cycle. SO GET OUT AND SUPORT YOUR SURF SCENE!!!! —Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp |
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:28 AM
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:33 AM
i'd like to see what Prof Pongracic's take on this one is... it seems to me that we may be entering an extended phase of "stagflation"...wages remain stable, but prices in many sectors continue to rise... i do think that the rising costs for food, fuel, lodging, airfare will have profound impacts on the music scene in general... Last edited: May 29, 2008 11:36:49 |
Joined: Sep 07, 2006 Posts: 1493 Redlands, CA
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:35 AM
With my car getting about (17mpg) it would cost about $60.00 to drive to huntington beach and home again. Will I do it. Yes, maybe once or twice, but not reguarly. I would rather spend the accrued money on music stuff. you know ,,, guitars , amps, drums, you know,,,stuff. Joel |
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:38 AM
Zak, Ferenc, I am planning on going to SD this Sun. though, but I'm hoping some people will want to go also, so we can split the cost. The shows at Suzy's for Memorial Day weekend are usually pretty well attended, Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Posted on May 29 2008 11:55 AM
I think dp is exactly right - I've been predicting another prolonged period of stagflation for six months now. The main reason why gas has been going up in the USA so much is because the dollar has been plummeting for several years - a direct result of a very 'easy' or loose monetary policy by the Federal Reserve (i.e., the Fed printing up and injecting a LOT of new money into the markets). Oil is traded around the world using US dollars, so as each dollar becomes cheaper it takes more of them to buy the same amount of oil. Of course, there are some 'real' factors (i.e., non-monetary factors) pushing up the price of oil, such as an increase in demand in China and India and supply stoppages, etc., but I think the Federal Reserve is behind most of it. I think they have been badly screwing up the monetary policy for the last seven years or so, and we will all pay a heavy price for it. I truly hate the very institution of the Federal Reserve or central banking, period. The Fed has been the most destructive economic force in the US since its founding in 1913 - it was responsible for the Great Depression and the seventies stagflation - and it looks like we're well on the way to another major economic crisis that has been created by the stupid monetary policy. I'm also very depressed about the rising gas prices. As for many of you, it hits very close to home. The Madeira is now spread out over three states. I'm 200 miles away from our rhythm section, and Patrick still lives in San Diego. I worry that it may simply become too expensive for him to fly back to Indy very often. I also have to spend $50 in gas to do anything with the band, being 200 miles away, but that's OK, I can afford it once a month or every two months. The bigger problem for me and my wife is that we live in the middle of nowhere and have to travel about 70 miles away just to get some culture or do some more serious shopping. That's all becoming much more expensive. Reading the Wall Street Journal regularly, as I do, only makes me more depressed. I see doom and gloom everywhere. I don't see things getting much better for the foreseeable future, and if the government tries to artificially stimulate it (as they are, with both fiscal and monetary policy), and if it works at all (which it probably won't), it will just postpone the pain and make it even bigger shortly down the road. Times are not good. Like Zak said, most surf bands do this for the love of it, and probably many of them will continue despite the higher costs. But at the margin it will definitely discourage some bands from touring or playing some shows or releasing a CD, etc. It stinks.... Ivan —Ivan |
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:03 PM
Leave it to an econ prof. to tell it like it is..... Joel |
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:06 PM
how did that old simon and garfield song go? Some thing like... 'Time , time, see what's become of me... Joel |
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:12 PM
What matters is not what the absolute level of price of gas is, but rather relative to other prices and people's incomes - in other words, adjusted for inflation. Five years ago, in inflation adjusted terms, gas price was about the lowest it had EVER been. Today it's the highest it's ever been. One saving grace is that general incomes have been rising through the decades, so as a percentage of overal income (of course, in terms of averages) people are still spending a smaller part of their income on gas than at many points over the last fifty years. The problem of course is that the gas price will not stay at the current level - it will continue to rise. Some people have been predicting $6/gallon by the end of the summer. I think that's probably exaggerated, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went up to $5. And at that level we will probably be reaching the highest percentage of income spent on gas. It's gonna hurt. Get ready. Ivan —Ivan |
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:15 PM
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:20 PM
ugh sorry I brought it up, where's the noose? —Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:20 PM
Ivan, it is $5.00 a gal here. My first ever weeks pay check was a bring home of $15.00. As a teenager that was the most money I had ever had in my entire life. Joel |
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:22 PM
Jeff I got a rope here. but don't worry it doesnt have your name on it. I'm with Ivan. It's for the fed reserve. Joel |
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:23 PM
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:26 PM
40 miles per gallon (about 18 kilometers per litre) basic model starts at US$12K room inside for one 2x12" cabinet, one 50 watt head, a reverb unit, a bag of cords and one guitar...as well as one driver/surf guitarist. jam econo! |
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25582 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:27 PM
I wouldn't fit in that, I would need 2, one for each foot. and how does that help me with my job, im a pool guy and need a truck for all my supplies in the back. Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Posted on May 29 2008 12:31 PM
Jeff, |
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