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Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281 |
I don't know if anyone cares anymore, or is following this, but I've come up with yet another mod for this thing... will post clips & infos soon. — |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 58 Santander, Spain |
Yes I'm interested! - I have the Spring King, the Accutronics tank and related ingredients ready to fire the soldering iron! — |
Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281 |
Okay, I'm just doing some final tweaking. I will PM mod info to you and anyone who is interested. The new mod will substantially increase the "drip" you get when palm muting. I haven't tried it out on the stock tank yet, so I'll try to wire up my tank switcher before I record, so you can hear it with the internal tank as well as the external tank. The mod involves switching out a few internal components. The theory is simple, but getting the right mixture was trickier than I thought it'd be. Hopefully I will have it finalized with clips before the end of the week. — |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 58 Santander, Spain |
Something like the dwell control in Fender tanks? - That would be great! — |
Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281 |
Well, the Volume knob on the Danelectro serves the same purpose as the Dwell knob on the Fender. However, the amount of "drip" that comes out of the tank is dependent upon the kind of frequencies fed into the tank. More bass frequencies = more drip. This will basically add a switch that can go from heavy drip to medium drip to no drip. If you take out the drip, you're left with a smoother sounding reverb that is well suited to rock, blues, pop,etc. The heavy drip setting sounds very similar to Fender 63 Reverb clips I've heard, but I'll let those who actually own one compare. — |
Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281 |
Okay, some clips of the latest mod, with a few different settings. The way it is now, it's possible to overload the springs and get feedback, which you kind of hear at the end (and the Volume isn't even maxed there), but I can tweak it internally so it can't feed back but still get the drippy drip. I'm not sure I'll bother with my unit, since I can just dial in the right level via the volume control anyway. I'm using the big external tank here. http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6960866 Compare that to without the drippy mod, still using the same external tank, with all controls maxed: http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6892083 I will reattach the internal tank hopefully this weekend and see what that sounds like. I still want to do more here - like more amplification AFTER the springs, so it can get uber wet without having to drive the springs so hard. I might just have to build something from scratch. — |
Joined: Jun 27, 2008 Posts: 576 Marlboro, New Jersey |
I'm very curious to hear from the people that actually did the mods to this spring king pedal and hear their opinions. For example, did they like the mod to the delay/feedback or favor no delay/feedback, etc. Please let us hear from everyone. thanks, hl |
Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281 |
Well, I finally wired up the switch to go between stock tank and big tank. The big one definitely sounds better, with a more authoritative drip and a richer sound. But they both sound good. The little tank requires much less signal to get the most out of it, not surprisingly. I have to back the volume knob down to 9:00 with the current mods in place, whereas the big tank sounds good with the Volume at 12:00. Clips comparing the two will come hopefully within the week. I noticed the small tank is noisier, probably because it's so close to the electronics. I wonder if all the new wires in there for the switch have exacerbated that, though. Hard to say without an untouched unit to compare it to. Also, I'm getting a faint whooshing sound from time to time - I have no idea where it's coming from. It could be a result of all my tinkering, or just some weird influence from the ancient wiring in my apartment. Who knows. It's not loud, it only comes in occasionally, and it actually sounds kind of cool, so I'm not going to stress about it. But, I think I will want to apply all the things I've learned from modding the Spring King into building a solid state reverb unit from scratch. — |
Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281 |
Okay, last round of clips, and then enough already. I have it wired to switch between two tanks - the stock and the big tank. I have two "drip" settings - extra and medium. I don't have the stock setting in there anymore, and if I wanted to get it, I'd have to try to get the right cap value by ear, because the original was unmarked, and is now lost. Not that it matters, because I like it better now anyway. I will say that in order to get a rich sound on the medium drip setting, you have to turn the Volume up louder, and some distorting is heard at loud settings with the small pan. There is a mod that can limit the overall volume, which I haven't done yet. But for now, my volume knob never goes far above 12:00, and not much above 10:00 with the small tank. The essence of the "drip" mod is adding more bass and more signal. The volume knob needs to be dialed back to compensate a little. The richest, wettest sounds are had using the big tank with the extra drip setting. I doubt I'll ever even use the internal tank, because I like the big one better. Having said that, the internal tank isn't bad. Faux baritone, big tank then small tank Big tank chords, extra then medium drip, at increasing volume ("dwell") levels Small tank chords, extra then medium drip, at increasing volume ("dwell") levels Big tank palm mutes, extra then medium drip Small tank palm mutes, extra then medium drip All clips: tone and mix turned all the way up. — |
Joined: Aug 27, 2008 Posts: 1570 New York |
I have listened to your past clips and read these posts. I am thinking about buying this pedal and modifying it. Twelve years ago I built a distortion pedal and lost interest in that type of thing, but this has inspired me. I am at work now with no speakers but am looking forward to going home tonight and listening to the new clips. Good work on your mods and ingenuity in modifying this unit. |
Joined: Sep 27, 2008 Posts: 1149 Damascus, Maryland |
Assuming one is restricted to the Spring King itself, and not an extra tank, what mods would you do to get the maximum amount of drip?? I'm just learning guitar in general, much less surf, but I'd like to have a pedal to play with. (hey, if I have to practice scales, might as well make them wet!!!! ) And the second question: if I buy one, would you mod it for me????? (I don't know anything about electronics....or at least enough to do something like this) Will —Will "You're done, once you're a surfer you're done. You're in. It's like the mob or something. You're not getting out." - Kelly Slater |
Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281 |
Hi there, Well, the same mod will squeeze out the maximum amount of drip with the internal tank just as it will with the external tank. It needs to be tamed with the internal tank, though, because you can't turn up the volume very far before it starts to overload. Shouldn't be too trick - just a matter of installing an internal trim pot. Having said that, the internal tank is fairly drippy without the latest drip mod, anyway. It's the external tank that benefits most from this. So, it may make more sense just do the delay mod, and forget the rest. Here's a clip of a Spring King with the delay mod but with no drip mod - it's pretty drippy already (played by the owner of the pedal - I did the mod): http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=6870977&q=hi I'm just listening to this again, and I'd say probably this is drippy enough for most people. Unfortunately, I don't have an unsullied Spring King to compare with mine while I'm making changes, so I forget what it sounded like before. So, maybe this drip mod is best left for those who want a bigger tank. Yes, I'd be willing to mod it for you. I'll PM you some options. |
Joined: Sep 27, 2008 Posts: 1149 Damascus, Maryland |
Ummm.....wow. That sounds pretty good for that little pedal. That's the sound I'd like. (now to start learning so I can sound that good!!!) Got the PM. I'll let you know when I get one. —Will "You're done, once you're a surfer you're done. You're in. It's like the mob or something. You're not getting out." - Kelly Slater |
Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281 |
Okay, for those with the mod instructions, just a time saver - a 1k resistor is perfect for the volume reduction mod. That way at full Volume (ie Dwell) w/ the big tank, it's very wet but not too feedbacky, and it sounds great at about noon with the small tank. It adds a wider range of usable Volume (Dwell) settings. Edit: 1k is ideal actually for the "heavy drip setting." Maybe more like 600 ohms if you want to take advantage of the less drip settings. I find myself just sticking with the heavy drip setting and leaving it there. — |
Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281 |
I tried it with a new tank - Accutronics 9AB3C1B (the six spring model). Holy cavernous reverb! This is probably too much for surf, but if you need a really smooth reverb with a LOOOOOOOONG decay time, this is the tank for you. If you turn down the volume/dwell it's workable, though. I might experiment with muting some of the springs somehow. — |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 58 Santander, Spain |
Six springs?? I bet the last chord you played yesterday is still sounding... — |
Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281 |
Yes, actually. |
Joined: Aug 27, 2008 Posts: 1570 New York |
UmaFloresta - you are like a mad scientist with these mods. Very cool, still have not gotten mine yet, can't wait to start fooling with some modifications. |
Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281 |
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Joined: Aug 27, 2008 Posts: 1570 New York |
Nice. |