jp
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Posted on Apr 09 2008 11:31 AM
When I was younger my dad, a public school music teacher, gave me this book. I've read it a few times since then and it does give some great advice on learning and performing.
http://www.amazon.com/Inner-Game-Music-Barry-Green/dp/0385231261/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207758052&sr=1-8
While it won't sove your problems with performance anxiety it will give you advice on dealing with making mistakes when performing and turning mistakes to your advantage.
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badash
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Posted on Apr 09 2008 11:39 AM
JakeDobner
The problem is when the person is rather drunk and is being really creepy and standing way too close.
"You shore gotta purty mouth boy..." Us gorgeous humans gotta stick together Jake! Having played in some real humdingers like "Lila's taco shop: Home of the Garbage Burrito" (yes we did) back in the old days IN A FREAKIN' ECONOMICALLY DEPRESSED LOGGING TOWN the drunks were a real issue. The whole situation could go south really fast.
Rule #1 was never ignore a request from a table with 2 or more guys at it.
Rule #2 was start every response with "Yeah Yeah!" As in "Yeah Yeah! I totally dig Molly Hatchet!" Starting a sentence with "Well..." was a No-No.
Rule #3 unplug the Jukebox before you start. When Mr. Bunyan decides he wants to hear "9 to 5", he wants to hear 9 to 5! Okay, I'm dating myself there
Rule #2 is actually a helpful trick. As Danny said it's not about you. It's about them. If the first thing out of your mouth is an affirmation they glow, and you'll be remembered as "cool". They'll come back...
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JoshHeartless
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Posted on Apr 09 2008 12:09 PM
you hate playing live because of nervousness? haha, just wait till it comes time to record!!
anyways, i can't really help ya as far as live playing, because i don't remember what it's like to be nervous before/during a live set. the band i'm in now is my 4th band, and i've played shows often and at a steady pace since i was around 16. sure, there are mistakes that you'll make as far as playing live, but not a lot of people besides you will notice. remember this for all your mistakes though-blame the drummer, ha.
sadly, i can't help you with recording either, because i have yet to figure out how to calm my nerves during it. i guess i just think too much about how to play things right, when naturally i should play things right anyways, but i overthink and it causes me to screw up because i'm not thinking enough about my actual playing, and sometimes what i think i can do during a riff to improve it usually make it worse, and then i keep making that mistake over and over.
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tonybologna
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Posted on Apr 09 2008 12:33 PM
Playing live is one of my main objectives of playing music. I get a natural high from playing in front of people. I feel great. Yeah, there is anxiety before playing but that wears off after the first few seconds of the set. The excitment of performing usually causes me to push the tempo to a rate where I piss off the rest of the band...I'm working on it :).
But I'm with Josh, recording still scares the crap out of me. I just can't fully relax. I'm sure with more experience I'll ease into it, but right now I get an unnerving feeling when the record button is pushed.
— Science friction burns my fingers.
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seamoor
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Posted on May 09 2008 11:41 AM
Recording is something that I love. But it's still just a form of scribbling. For me, the real excitement and thrill is the thrill of composition.
There is nothing more interesting to me than some sort of discovery that you make when something resolves, rhythmically and melodically.
I saw this picture a long time ago of this famous Greek sculpture that had been left unfinished, of one of the Titans. Half the rock had been chizeled away to define the shape the the God, who looked like he was being freed, or awakening, from the formlessness of the rock, and half of him was still trapped in that formless, undefined mass.
To me, that metaphor struck me as the essence of art and the act of creation--you've brushed and carved away the dirt and debris to reveal a structure that is already there, merely hidden within the chaos. I can never get enough of that feeling you get when you begin to see the thing for the first time.
For this reason--I usually spend more time composing than playing prepared pieces, or playing old compositions. I always like to play something 'fresh'. There have been so many times when I thought what I was playing wasn't working right, but when I go back to listen to the recording, it is almost always the case that I am surprised and excited by what was captured.
On the OTHER hand--I absolutely hate performing. Unless it's a jazz improvization sort of gig--it's the playing the same old stuff over and over thing that gets to me. I can't take it. I can understand why Pete Townsend would want to smash his axe. Can you imagine traveling around for 40 years playing the same songs over and over again? It's one of the circles of hell that a number of commercially successful artists find themselves trapped in.
I was never so unhappy as back in the days when we used to have to go out to do these gigs and play the same old set list, with minor variations. It didn't matter whether or not the audience was into it, generally they were. I just hated playing the same stuff over and over. It was a total turn off. In the 60's it may have been rock, the 70's Bluegrass, and the 80's Planetarium music--if I had to play Old Joe Clark one more time...and the same hold true for surf music..."Play Pipeline!"
I studied the piano for many, many years and learned some very complex classical pieces by Beethoven and Bach. Then, after all this effort to learn to read these complex scores and develop the skills to perform them, you just play them over and over, like a player piano. I discovered I was in the same rut as when I was playing friday nights at the Sock Hop youth dances as a teenager.
I never found any real satisfaction until I put all of my energy into music composition. Then I discovered the connection that caused me to get excited about music when I was just a listener, for the first time, back before I could play anything, and wanted to learn. Of course, your mileage may vary, but there is an issue of the pursuit of Zen in the art of guitar playing.
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BillyBlastOff
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Posted on May 09 2008 02:08 PM
seamoor
I was never so unhappy as back in the days when we used to have to go out to do these gigs and play the same old set list, with minor variations. It didn't matter whether or not the audience was into it, generally they were. I just hated playing the same stuff over and over. It was a total turn off. In the 60's it may have been rock, the 70's Bluegrass, and the 80's Planetarium music--if I had to play Old Joe Clark one more time...and the same hold true for surf music..."Play Pipeline!"
I have to agree. It can get boring quick playing the same ole' selist over and over.
I think alot of bands just get plain lazy and don't learn new stuff. They kind of stay in that "Comfort Zone". If I had to play the same stuff over and over, I would quit music and take up golf or somethin'.
We try to come up with a new tune for every gig, which lately has been once a week.
It makes it more interesting for the band and the audience, especially if it's a repeat audience..........
Billy
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BigBottom
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Posted on May 09 2008 05:22 PM
Well, if you want to become invisible, the best way to do that is become the bass player. No one talks to the bass player unless they are looking for directions to the washroom. ![Smile Smile](/media/smiley/images/smile.gif)
Seriously, I think we all have stage fright to a certain degree, until we're really confident in our own abilities, the abilities of our band, AND the reaction of the crowd. When all three of those things are good-to-go, we can relax and have fun.
And speaking of "rough crowds", even done a gig where you played "House of the Rising Sun" twelve times because a table of drunks threatened to kill you if you stopped playing it? We waited until they were too drunk to stand and then hastily packed our equipment out the back door. Didn't wait to get paid. ![Smile Smile](/media/smiley/images/smile.gif)
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Abe
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Posted on May 10 2008 03:32 PM
MrReverb63_
my drummer in the other hand is just the opposite since he's never played live before, he'll play and wont even look at us or the audience and just look down when he's playing. but yeah i wuld say it will go away in time but im not sure since i still have a litle bit of it . ![Sad Sad](/media/smiley/images/icon_sad.gif)
Haha yeah man we had to tell the guy to look up at the people, I told he looked weird looking down like that, but he is just too Shy sometimes ![Crying Crying](/media/smiley/images/icon_cry_1.gif)
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Mustard_Man
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Posted on May 13 2008 04:06 AM
I get nervous but I see it as a good thing. It adds to my energy and concentration on the show and adds excitement to the whole experience - being dead nervous before a gig because your set is 80% new in front of an unknown audience, then playing a good set and getting that audience on side is an exhilarating feeling. Bit like taming a lion or something..
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oestmann
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Posted on May 18 2008 09:06 AM
For me, the real excitement and thrill is the thrill of composition.
playing live is great - I also agree - that there's a thrill in composing that's hard to explain. I enjoy it too...and hopefully a few listeners enjoy it too ![Hmmm Hmmm](/media/smiley/images/icon_hmm.gif)
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TwangOmatic
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Posted on May 20 2008 01:21 AM
Ive enjoyed the few shows i have played but if i had my way i would never play shows other that party jams with friends. Just record as much as you can and enjoy it.
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tenderfoot
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Posted on May 20 2008 06:59 AM
I've played live in a band and live solo, and I hated playing solo. I have too much stage fright to be alone in the spotlight. But, I really enjoy playing together in a band. Anyone looking for a rhythm guitarist in the Baltimore/DC area? ![Wink Wink](/media/smiley/images/icon_wink.gif)
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oestmann
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Posted on May 24 2008 10:53 PM
Tenderfoot
How close is Baltimore/DC to Australia?
I learnt the full meaning of 'absolute terror' the few times I played solo. There was a rather uncomfortable feeling in my stomach I don't ever want to feel again.
Tim
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BillyBlastOff
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Posted on May 25 2008 12:51 AM
oestmann
Tenderfoot
How close is Baltimore/DC to Australia?
I learnt the full meaning of 'absolute terror' the few times I played solo. There was a rather uncomfortable feeling in my stomach I don't ever want to feel again.
Tim
Playing solo does take a set of balls. Every mistake is on you. It's you, your guitar, and the audience.
Unless of course your like Dave Wronski, or Marty Tippens, and make it sound like two guitars.
Then all you can blame is your other fingers..........
Billy
Geez....I gotta go to bed. No more time for chatter. Gotta gig tomorrow.
Goodnight Johnboy.
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estreet
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Posted on May 25 2008 04:25 AM
MustardMan_
I get nervous but I see it as a good thing. It adds to my energy and concentration on the show and adds excitement to the whole experience - being dead nervous before a gig because your set is 80% new in front of an unknown audience, then playing a good set and getting that audience on side is an exhilarating feeling. Bit like taming a lion or something..
Yes, it can be really different depending on what you are doing. I've been playing live an average of 3 - 4 times a week for the last thirty years mostly doing bread and butter rock covers. Going onstage doing that is no different than walkiing into my living room in terms of nerves or whatever. However, when I formed a band to play and sing my original songs ( www.myspace.com/ukeden ) it was a very different kettle of fish: a friend of mine describes as feeling like suddenly standing there with no clothes on and it's true, because suddenly it's a lot more personal. It got easier as time went on. I still get it to a lesser degree with The Pashuns (because of not singing I think) but I still care a lot more what people think of it than I do when playing covers.
— http://www.myspace.com/thepashuns
Youth and enthusiasm are no match for age and treachery.
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Bipo
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Posted on May 25 2008 04:26 PM
I enjoy playing a supporting role to someone who enjoys the limelight, but I like to be able to practice beforehand.
Otherwise it isn't playing that bothers me live. It's lugging the equipment out of the practice space, loading it into a rusty van, driving to the venue, unloading (usually several flights of stairs up), putting it all together (it never works on the first try) and then you have to either wait for two hours for the show to start or you're already late because of whatever misfortune seems to be rampant that day.
Then you play your gig, which is, hopefully, swell.
After that, if you're unlucky, there's 3-4 other bands, who keep the crowd going until 2 o'clock in the night when you can finally begin packing the equipment (we packed a nice PA, so everyone else used it) into the van, pushing it, because it won't start in freezing temperatures (used to be cold where I live), driving back to the practice place and unloading the van at 3.30 am.
No wonder we didn't want to practice the next weekend.
That's what I hated about performing live. Stage fright I can live with as long as I know what I'm doing and I can hear myself at least a bit on the stage.
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tommyalvarado
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Posted on May 25 2008 06:13 PM
I've played live in a band and live solo, and I hated playing solo. I have too much stage fright to be alone in the spotlight. But, I really enjoy playing together in a band. Anyone looking for a rhythm guitarist in the Baltimore/DC area?
Hey, Delaware and Baltimore are not that far apart- maybe an hour and 15 minutes. I went to a surf gig in Asbury, NJ last night. It was a 2+ hour drive, but more than worth it. Any time you want to get together and play some instro surf, let me know. ![Guitar Guitar](/media/smiley/images/icon_guitar.gif)
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oestmann
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Posted on May 26 2008 07:42 AM
Hey estreet - have you ever done the maths of how many times you carried your amp??? ![Shocked Shocked](/media/smiley/images/icon_eek.gif)
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Redd_Tyde
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Posted on May 26 2008 10:38 AM
Playing live is the sole purpose of our band. Granted we only look to book 2-3 shows a month. Practicing twice a week gets monotonous, but we are writing new material. So that is a love/Hate scenario.
Going into the recording studio is something that I don't care for. That process is very boring to me no matter how involved I am in the process. I used to do a lot of sound work for voice over and corporate presentations. So the "over and over" tweaking of a single part is what drives me nuts.
As for lugging gear up and down stairs. Yeah that sucks. Hasn't happen so much since I moved back to San Diego. Loading/Unloading in the rain sucks, no matter what. Clubs that make you load through the front door and have to maneuver your way through a crowd suck the most, well almost the most. The one drunk the has to stop you to try and talk to you sucks the most when you have 75 lbs. of gear in tow.
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Ben
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Posted on May 26 2008 12:43 PM
Hey Redd,
I know what you mean...What I really hate are the drunks that want to "help" with lugging the gear.
I just tell them to go help the drummer ; )
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