spskins
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 09:28 AM
I know, I know, Surfer's Choice by Dick Dale, but I got to thinkin', what was the first full length lp that actually contained all instrumental, reverb laden surf? The way a lot of surf albums are made now in hindsight...
I don't know the answer yet, my first guess is one of the Del Fi bands-maybe Surf Rider by the Lively Ones? Remember, no vocal numbers.
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PS I apologize if the answer is like a well-known fact and I'm just an idiot, but I was racking my brain and kept coming up with albums with the mandatory vocal numbers.
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 10:13 AM
Wow, that's a tough one! Almost all of them have at least one vocal thrown in.
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Rob_J
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 11:17 AM
This is one of the earliest I can remember- I bought it new in around 1964, and still have it.
http://www.amazon.com/Surfing-Ventures/dp/B0001DCW20/ref=m_art_pr_6
And before anyone says, "The Ventures" are not a surf band, they certainly were on this album. They played a lot of surf - they just played other instrumental stuff too.
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 11:28 AM
I'm going with Bob Vaught and the Renegaids - Surf Crazy - Released Jan 1, 1963.
http://music.msn.com/album/?album=10057714
It's the oldest one I have -
I can't remember if the Challengers first album is all instro or not. If so, It would be older.
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spskins
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 11:33 AM
Yeah, "Surfing" by the Ventures released in May 1963. And I personally consider them a surf band on this album. But Surf Rider by the Lively Ones was released in Feb/March of 63 and with the Lively Ones renaming of "Spudnik" to "Surf Rider" and having some success with it, I believe that Ventures "Surfing" was a response to it. The Ventures included the renamed Surf Rider on the album as if to say-hey, this is our song!
I didn't realize Surf Crazy was that early. Great lp. I got it too.
According to wikipedia, "Surfbeat" by the Challengers also came out during Jan 1963.
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 11:58 AM
spskins
But Surf Rider by the Lively Ones was released in Feb/March of 63 and with the Lively Ones renaming of "Spudnik" to "Surf Rider" and having some success with it, I believe that Ventures "Surfing" was a response to it.
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 12:16 PM
spskins
Yeah, "Surfing" by the Ventures released in May 1963. And I personally consider them a surf band on this album. But Surf Rider by the Lively Ones was released in Feb/March of 63 and with the Lively Ones renaming of "Spudnik" to "Surf Rider" and having some success with it, I believe that Ventures "Surfing" was a response to it. The Ventures included the renamed Surf Rider on the album as if to say-hey, this is our song!
I didn't realize Surf Crazy was that early. Great lp. I got it too.
According to wikipedia, "Surfbeat" by the Challengers also came out during Jan 1963.
I once saw a recent video on The Ventures website with Don Wilson doing an intro at an outdoor Seattle concert stating that Surf Rider was written by Nokie Edwards. In this video, you can see a disgusted Nokie look back to Leon Taylor as if to say "Im waiting, get with it, let's get started"
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 12:46 PM
Surf Rider/Lively Ones I believe
Surfer's choice btw had no reverb on it
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 01:04 PM
Did Surf Beat by Challengers really have vocals?
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spskins
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 02:21 PM
Kawentzmann
Did Surf Beat by Challengers really have vocals?
No, it's all instrumental, it qualifies.
So far Surf Crazy by Bob Vaught & The Renegaids and Surf Beat by the Challengers are vying for first, with the edge going to Surf Crazy for having the confirmed release date of 1/1/63, while all we know for now is that Surf Beat was released during Jan of 63.
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 05:13 PM
kenposurf
Surfer's choice btw had no reverb on it
That's BS. Don't listen to Dick - listen to your ears! There's HEAVY reverb all over that record. Dick has gotten confused somewhere along the way about this, or he's pushing a particular agenda.
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 05:15 PM
spskins
So far Surf Crazy by Bob Vaught & The Renegaids and Surf Beat by the Challengers are vying for first, with the edge going to Surf Crazy for having the confirmed release date of 1/1/63, while all we know for now is that Surf Beat was released during Jan of 63.
What record retailers were open on New Year's Day back in 1963, before 24-hour supermarkets and when most shops were closed on Sundays? Seems weird.
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 05:46 PM
I remember reading that it was Surfbeat by the Challengers.
but also,
remember that the Bob Vaught and the Challengers are not the rippin drippin rerverb surf also.
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Sonichris
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 08:10 PM
I looked up release dates in the Bob Dalley Book - "Surfin' Guitars" and the Challengers 'Surf Beat' shows released 11/62...
The book only says 1962 for the Bob Vaught and the Renegaids 'Surf Crazy' album.
I don't know that I trust any source for any of these dates, however. I agree with Ivan - 1/1/63 is a strange date to release an album - sounds made up.
I think Bob Vaught is still around, and Richard Delvy is - I say we let them settle it the old fashioned way, willow branches and whittlin' knives. 
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 09:11 PM
This is a pretty good question with a surprising answer. The first all-instrumental surf music LP was "Surfer's Stomp" by The Mar-Kets on Liberty. April, 1962!
The next two LPs to follow suit were The Challengers' "Surfbeat" and Dick Dale's "Surfer's Choice." The most accurate release dates for these two, so far, are October and November, 1962, respectively. Bear in mind that they were released DAYS (maybe hours) apart. Who knows which one was in the stores first?
Bear in mind, also, that it's the SECOND pressing of The Challengers' 1st LP that qualifies here. The 1st pressing included one vocal, a cover of "Surfin' Safari"; the 2nd pressing replaced it with an instrumental version. That could imply a later release date than "Surfer's Choice" for the 2nd pressing. Discuss...
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spskins
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Posted on Feb 22 2008 10:35 PM
Surfer's Choice has vocal numbers galore, though. That's why I mentioned it in the original question. Doesn't count. So if the rest of your information is correct, Surfers Stomp would be first followed by the 2nd pressing of Surf Beat with the all instrumental line up of songs.
Jeff, as far as "rippin and drippin" is concerned, why impose some phrase you and your buddies made up a few years ago on 1962? Sounds like someting that happens after a bad burrito.
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Posted on Feb 23 2008 08:59 AM
Ted,
your the one who said all instrumental and (Reverb Laden) surf.
so if thats the case I would say Probably the Lively Ones,
as the ones listed so far.
and yeah the Markets too.
were far from real surf in my opinion.
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Posted on Feb 23 2008 09:01 AM
Speaking of Surf Crazy -- it has never been reissued on CD, has it? Does anyone know if it might be in future?
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Posted on Feb 23 2008 10:54 AM
bigtikidude
Ted,
your the one who said all instrumental and (Reverb Laden) surf.
so if thats the case I would say Probably the Lively Ones,
as the ones listed so far.
But the first Challengers album definitely had reverb. So, why the Lively Ones rather than the Challengers?
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Posted on Feb 24 2008 03:32 PM
I'd have to go back and listen to it again,
I always considered the Challengers a studio band,
and little or no reverb sound.
But I guess I'm wrong.
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