DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11045
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 12:15 AM
OK, you brought several amps into the studio, then what? How much time do you spend dialing in tones? Do you assign each amp a track? What about phasing, is that a problem? If you had your guitar into 2 of exactly the same amps recorded at the same time, would you notice a difference from only 1 amp?
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 12:21 AM
I'll have an idea of what tones I want for what. Personally I don't dial in tones, I know what settings I like already so I just plug into the amp I think will make the best sound for that song.
Two of my pedals have stereo out so I really want to try that on the next album. I get a great sound out with my Super Reverb and Showman. The Super is dry with onboard trem on, pedal trem on, and analog delay, and the Showman(or maybe bassman) would have the tank with the trem pedal. Put them in stereo and it is pretty excellent.
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SurfBandBill
Joined: Mar 15, 2006
Posts: 1487
San Francisco
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 12:32 AM
I recorded the latest album with my Showman for all leads, and all other guitar work done through my Twin. I am not necessarily set up to do stereo with two amps simultaneously.
I did, however, spend a LOT of time in the garage before the actual recording dialing in the tone I wanted for each song, and i recorded each on a sheet of paper, which I could read when I got into the studio. We had about five sheets we brought with us which included guitar settings, amp settings, tempos for each song, and other random things you don't think about in advance. Basically, we got in, have everything over-prepped, and worked fast enough to be finished with fourteen tracks, overdubs included, in less than 48 hours.
~B~
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diceophonic
Joined: May 20, 2006
Posts: 2174
PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 12:42 AM
Good call Danny
JakeDobner
Always bring all of your amps into the studio. I think Mike is bringing in 6 or 7 amps next time. I'm bringing the three I have so far...
For recording I have always been a one man amp due to the reason of time and money on the clock to monkey around with amps, but I think now that we are 85% almost done I will bring in my Vox AC30 and pair it up with my Bandmaster.
— -Kyle
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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Seattle
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 12:46 AM
Mike just got a 6G6-B bassman by the way.
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diceophonic
Joined: May 20, 2006
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PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 12:56 AM
JakeDobner
Mike just got a 6G6-B bassman by the way.
Holy crap no way!!! sweet!!! I'm still on the look out for 6G6-B Bassman the quest is still on!!! I want to find a '62 with wheat cloth to match my '62 6G7-A Bandmaster, I will need to call Mike or drop him a line to congratulate and catch up. I'm so stoked for him! yeah!
— -Kyle
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 01:00 AM
The sick part... I think he only paid $600 or $650 for it.
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diceophonic
Joined: May 20, 2006
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PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 01:32 AM
JakeDobner
The sick part... I think he only paid $600 or $650 for it.
Wow! does he get these amps from his work before they hit the showroom?
— -Kyle
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BillAqua
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 1054
Chicago IL.
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 02:16 AM
For the unreleased Aquanauts 2nd album I just used one amp and one guitar. I'm never fully happy with my sound anyways so I like to commit myself to one tone. I may blow a lot of takes, but they rest of the band can't complain about me wanting a different sound each song.
I read once Steve Cropper had the same amp set up for pretty much every Stax session. Talk about a tone fitting you like an old pair of jeans...
— "as he stepped into the stealthy night air... little did he know the fire escape was not there"
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estreet
Joined: Mar 17, 2007
Posts: 839
United Kingdom
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 03:52 AM
I usually take the setup that I think will do the job and have another amp in the car in case I was wrong. Most sessions I've done for other people in studios are done with an eye on the clock because they are paying heavily per hour. 95% of the time the first thing I set up is fine.
If I was paying the bill myself I may experiment a little more, but taking 7 or 8 amps in sounds like a recipe for a very expensive recording to me.
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Youth and enthusiasm are no match for age and treachery.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11045
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 07:48 AM
SurfBandBill
I recorded the latest album with my Showman for all leads, and all other guitar work done through my Twin. I am not necessarily set up to do stereo with two amps simultaneously.
I did, however, spend a LOT of time in the garage before the actual recording dialing in the tone I wanted for each song, and i recorded each on a sheet of paper, which I could read when I got into the studio. We had about five sheets we brought with us which included guitar settings, amp settings, tempos for each song, and other random things you don't think about in advance. Basically, we got in, have everything over-prepped, and worked fast enough to be finished with fourteen tracks, overdubs included, in less than 48 hours.
~B~
Bill, when you say 48 hours, is that 2 days or 48 hours actually recording?
That's smart to be so well prepped, I need to do that for sure before we head in to the studio.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Posts: 2773
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 07:56 AM
Even though I have a studio in the basement and amps lying around all over the place, I try to keep the distractions of multiple options as few as possible. I just try to remeber that most of the really great tracks from the '60s used very little in the way of "high technology." Mostly a band went in to the sudio, a knowledgeable engineer put up a few mics and the guys just played.....the result was some really timeless tracks. I prefer the KISS principle........keep it simple, stupid........ed
— Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 09:10 AM
estreet
If I was paying the bill myself I may experiment a little more, but taking 7 or 8 amps in sounds like a recipe for a very expensive recording to me.
We are doing five days worth of 12 hour days next time. This includes mixing. It's going to cost us $500 a day, which is much cheaper than the $1200 or $200 an hour.
Here is a link. http://www.studiolitho.com/ Really fantastic place.
We are going to record the album live the first day and then head into overdubs and then mixing. Overdubs will be for keys and to fix up parts we just aren't happy with and to add extra guitar parts and alternate percussion, horns, maybe strings or choir, and god willing melodica and ukulele. And to be honest a lot of amps doesn't really take any more time than putting in the cable. All the amps will be mic'd and ready to go through the main board.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11045
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 09:12 AM
How many songs is that Jake?
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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BillAqua
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 1054
Chicago IL.
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 09:20 AM
JakeDobner
estreet
If I was paying the bill myself I may experiment a little more, but taking 7 or 8 amps in sounds like a recipe for a very expensive recording to me.
We are doing five days worth of 12 hour days next time. This includes mixing. It's going to cost us $500 a day, which is much cheaper than the $1200 or $200 an hour.
Here is a link. http://www.studiolitho.com/ Really fantastic place.
We are going to record the album live the first day and then head into overdubs and then mixing. Overdubs will be for keys and to fix up parts we just aren't happy with and to add extra guitar parts and alternate percussion, horns, maybe strings or choir, and god willing melodica and ukulele. And to be honest a lot of amps doesn't really take any more time than putting in the cable. All the amps will be mic'd and ready to go through the main board.
Jesus! Who is the Brian Wilson in your band?
We really wanted to do the overdubs crazy like a Dick Dale mid-60s Capital release but we've never gotten around to it.
I think we got 14 songs done in about 12 hours spread out over two sessions for the unreleased Aquanaut album. I think our first album was done in about 5 hours...but it does show.
Oh yeah, it was all free.
— "as he stepped into the stealthy night air... little did he know the fire escape was not there"
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 09:27 AM
Eric or Mike are the Brian Wilsons of the band.
We did 18 tracks on our first 12 hour day and the included setting up.
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surfer
Joined: Apr 12, 2007
Posts: 428
South Florida
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 09:40 AM
If you record two amps in stereo, how do you pan? if the two amps cover the entire stereo spread then where do the other guitars go.
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Ruhar
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
Posts: 3909
San Diego, CA
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 10:09 AM
I'm kinda like eddie on this one. I've never been much of a studio rat. I tend to just replicate my live setup and go. Although the making of our latest record has gotten me much more interested in trying out different things. Next time I might stretch out a little more and add an amp and/or different electric to the mix.
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JoshHeartless
Joined: Jun 17, 2006
Posts: 1010
Bay City, Michigan
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 11:42 AM
BillAqua
For the unreleased Aquanauts 2nd album I just used one amp and one guitar. I'm never fully happy with my sound anyways so I like to commit myself to one tone
that's really funny, your tone sounds excellent to me, probably one of the best i've heard for surf.
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diceophonic
Joined: May 20, 2006
Posts: 2174
PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)
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Posted on Jan 02 2008 12:00 PM
Jake why are you guys recording another new 'Verb cd you guys just released a new cd don't you guys want this one to soak in let it ride for awhile, what I would do is sell a 150 cds make your money back and then after you make you money back you can use the rest of the cd sales to fund the studio time and disc? unless you guys are already taking that route and made your money back to do this next disc and studio time? if not you guys are brave and I give you guys kudos for doing so.
— -Kyle
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