HBkahuna
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 1778
Star, Idaho. Formerly lived in Surf City USA.
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Posted on Dec 07 2007 06:41 PM
It has been suggested that I possibly put together a DVD of band performances from the past year. I also inquired about interest in people purchasing DVD's of Eddies radio interview. I'll tell you, what you see on the DVD looks & sounds much different than what you see on Youtube. The DVD is far superior.
Re band performances, I started shooting these videos as a hobby. I feel in time, some of the artists I recorded may have a place in history like some of the artists from the early 60's surf scene now hold. There is very little live footage documenting the performances of the early 60's surf artists.
It's a tremendous amount of work downloading video, editing, uploading to the Internet & burning DVD's. It is time consuming. There is also the expense. Two mini DV tapes are around s $15. There is also the cost for blank DVD's, postage & editing software.
Personally, I do not feel proper selling a DVD of someone else's performance without their permission. I would never do that. Getting permission & compensating the artists is more trouble than I likely have time for.
It is unlikely I will tape may shows in 2008. The time & expense is one aspect. Out of the dozens of DVD's I sent out to bands, I had only one band, so much as offer me so much as a CD or T shirt for my trouble. Several bands asked to borrow my original tapes for their use. They never returned them as I requested.. I didn't get into the hobby to score a bunch of swag but it's a very kind gesture & much appreciated (because of the expense involved) when a band makes such an offer.
So, having said that, I will not be doing as much shooting in 2008. I also have some potential business opportunities that may take up more of my time in 2008.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11054
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Dec 07 2007 08:33 PM
Tim, why not see if Linda will sell a compilation DVD of a bunch of bands that played the museum? Split the profits between yourself for film expenses and the museum. I'd bet the bands would all give their permission. It might even be worthwhile to have a 2 disc set, one live audio recordings (chrome oxide?) coupled with the video recordings.
I think documenting the current bands is very valuable to the surf music community, and we all owe you a debt of gratitude for your doing so.
Your feelings are not unlike the ones that the musicians themselves feel. Lugging all that gear, setting up and breaking down, driving long distances, to be paid drink tickets and maybe $50 and play in front of 15 people. I think that as much as we'd want to be more popular and make more cash, reality is it's not going to happen. So we need to be satisfied fulfilling our own modest needs of self expression and/or being able to use our time in a constructive manner.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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zak
Joined: Sep 24, 2007
Posts: 2728
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Posted on Dec 07 2007 08:48 PM
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11054
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Dec 07 2007 09:05 PM
Zak, this is  so let's not continue this here after my response. We can move it elsewhere if you want to continue.
I think my point wasn't clear, I'm not bemoaning the fact that some bands are unfairly not successful financially or in popularity. I'm actually saying that they _are _ successful in being constructive with their time and expressing themselves, and choose not to do all that hard work because they are being fulfilled at a level they're comfortable with. In other words, the hobby bands out there. I was just drawing a correlation between that particular type of band and what Tim and others are doing.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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HBkahuna
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 1778
Star, Idaho. Formerly lived in Surf City USA.
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Posted on Dec 08 2007 12:12 AM
Danny,
I got your point & appreciate your comments. For the most part, it's great meeting, getting to know & talking with the people in the bands. For me, that is ample reward. It's a lot of work though. It's gratifying to know people have viewed my videos over 30,00 times in North & South America, Europe & Asia. I have been amazed by some of the artists I have heard from who viewed my videos.
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Brian
Joined: Feb 25, 2006
Posts: 19298
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Dec 08 2007 04:44 AM
Tim, there is another option to cut out distribution costs. You could go ahead and produce a DVD. Then you, or one of us geeks, could start a bit torrent for it. That would allow you to share the DVD with the world for essentially no cost. A bit torrent is one of those peer-to-peer file sharing systems. Once a few of us got the DVD data and started the seed I bet people could download the thing quickly.
I'd be glad to help with that by making a page here on the site with instructions for getting a bit torrent client program and publishing the seed. And then once the more geeky people on the site got the DVD image there would be more people for the less technically inclined to ask for hard copies. But I suspect with all the help here most people could figure out how to run a bit torrent client program and then get the thing burned to a DVD locally at their computers.
I also want to thank you for all the work you are doing with these videos. 
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Brian
Joined: Feb 25, 2006
Posts: 19298
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Dec 08 2007 05:34 AM
You could also put your paypal address in the credits of the DVD or here in a forum thread. I'm sure a lot of people would be happy to kick in some money for your time.
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djangodeadman
Joined: Jan 25, 2007
Posts: 1568
Brighton UK
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Posted on Dec 10 2007 09:46 AM
This all sounds very nice, but do NOT put out anything without getting the necessary clearances. If you use recordings of tunes to which you do not hold the copyright, you could end up being sued for considerable sums of money. It's not only about getting permission from the bands themselves, unless you studiously avoid any recordings of tunes written by other people.
— Los Fantasticos
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Brian
Joined: Feb 25, 2006
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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Dec 10 2007 12:18 PM
I'd agree with that if Tim was trying to make a commercial DVD. This is just home made video of bands performing live though.
I don't think anyone gets any clearances when they post vids to YouTube either.
I'm not a lawyer of course. ;)
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 25581
Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Dec 10 2007 12:38 PM
there is a difference between posting on youtube for free,
and selling dvds,
if you play a song live its a tribute to the original band,
if you record it and sell the recording then you have to pay royalties.
technically.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11054
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Dec 10 2007 01:08 PM
I think the proper approach could be:
a. use only songs where Tim can actually contact the owner of the song for permission. Typically, originals from the band on the video, but also for example an Eddie and the Showman cover he could ask Eddie (assuming he has the rights still) since he knows him.
b. as a incentive for the bands give permission, tie it in with the HBISM by donating part (or all?) of the profits to the museum.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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djangodeadman
Joined: Jan 25, 2007
Posts: 1568
Brighton UK
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Posted on Dec 11 2007 09:40 AM
bigtikidude
there is a difference between posting on youtube for free,
and selling dvds,
if you play a song live its a tribute to the original band,
if you record it and sell the recording then you have to pay royalties.
technically.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
In the UK, at least, a royalty is technically paid when you cover a song live, as well. This is collected through the licences which venues must acquire from the Performing Rights Society (I think the equivalent thing in the USA is the Sam Ash Agency?). Some venues will ask you to submit a set list, along with details of writers etc for this purpose, although, in practice, small venues tend not to be monitored in this way (they still need a PRS licence though).
As for Danny's suggestion: that makes perfect sense to me.
Consider that, technically speaking, it is not about whether or not the DVDs are for sale. If you do not have permission to use the music on the DVD, you cannot distribute it in any form, whether you sell it or not.
— Los Fantasticos
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Chopper
Joined: Jul 13, 2006
Posts: 271
Pennsylvania
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Posted on Dec 13 2007 10:17 AM
Tim, if this gives birth count me in.
I truely enjoy seeing these great groups in the 'not so surf state of Pennsylvania' lol. Amazing what you've already shared with us via the internet! Thank you!
A dvd or 3 would be awesome 
Good weekend>>
Chop
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Chopper
Joined: Jul 13, 2006
Posts: 271
Pennsylvania
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Posted on Dec 13 2007 10:23 AM
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DannySnyder
I think documenting the current bands is very valuable to the surf music community, and we all owe you a debt of gratitude for your doing so.
Agreed.
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