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JakeDobner

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Posted on Nov 24 2007 02:00 AM

I've only listened to the Smiths this Thanksgiving weekend. So I must create another Johnny Marr thread. Pictures will follow. How brilliant was Johnny on the 12 string? I never heard any prior or since then play the 12 string like he did, and I'm sure many have tried.

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Dan_Francisco

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Las England.

Posted on Nov 24 2007 03:24 AM

I saw The Smiths in 85(?) on the Meat is Murder tour. Seeing them live sorta spoiled them for me, and never was a fan after that!(I think it was Morrissey's fault! )
Although Marr certainly does have the skills!

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spskins

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Posted on Nov 24 2007 12:58 PM

Me too, with New Order. Like many of the bands of the time and the genre, the live show was not their strength. I'm pretty sure the guitars for How Soon Is Now was a pre-recorded playback and he just played little parts over it.

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Dan_Francisco

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Posted on Nov 24 2007 01:08 PM

Lets get Him!

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JakeDobner

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Posted on Nov 24 2007 01:57 PM

I was always baffled as to why for most of the Smiths' career it was just Johnny on guitar live. He has too many parts to duplicate live. And when the played live it seems like they played the songs slower, which really took down the energy of Morrissey's already meandering melodies.

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IvanP

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Posted on Nov 24 2007 02:14 PM

spskins
Me too, with New Order. Like many of the bands of the time and the genre, the live show was not their strength. I'm pretty sure the guitars for How Soon Is Now was a pre-recorded playback and he just played little parts over it.

Did they ever do How Soon is Now live? I was under an impression they didn't, basically because it's such a studio creation there was no way to do it live (it might be doable today with the new technology, with looping devices and tap-tempo trem pedals and samplers). He used two Twin Reverbs and had to record in 10-second (or something like that) snippets in order to keep the vibrato/tremolo in tempo with the song. And I read that he doesn't remember - and can't figure out again - what harmonizer setting he used for that prominent descending slide part on the song.

Jake, wasn't there a second guitarist on the Smiths' only live album, Rank?

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Dan_Francisco

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Las England.

Posted on Nov 24 2007 02:24 PM

One of the first (and most) dissappointing things at the gig was the fact that came on to a Marr loop!

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JakeDobner

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Posted on Nov 24 2007 02:34 PM

IvanP

spskins
Me too, with New Order. Like many of the bands of the time and the genre, the live show was not their strength. I'm pretty sure the guitars for How Soon Is Now was a pre-recorded playback and he just played little parts over it.

Did they ever do How Soon is Now live? I was under an impression they didn't, basically because it's such a studio creation there was no way to do it live (it might be doable today with the new technology, with looping devices and tap-tempo trem pedals and samplers). He used two Twin Reverbs and had to record in 10-second (or something like that) snippets in order to keep the vibrato/tremolo in tempo with the song. And I read that he doesn't remember - and can't figure out again - what harmonizer setting he used for that prominent descending slide part on the song.

Jake, wasn't there a second guitarist on the Smiths' only live album, Rank?

Ivan

Yeah, there was a second guitarist for that live album, I haven't heard it though.

And it was four twins for How Soon is Now?. They had people on all four amps controlling the knobs to keep it in time, in the 10 second intervals you mentioned. And the sliding guitar part was played through a harmonizer several times. I think it may have gone through 6 times or so.

They played it live once or twice, they just looped it in.

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websurfer

Joined: May 14, 2007
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Posted on Nov 24 2007 04:00 PM

Just looking at my copy of "Rank" . . .
After listing the four band members, it simply says "with Craig Gannon--additional guitars".

I remember that interview with Noel Gallagher, and he said that he couldn't play what Marr does most of the time, but then added that "not even Marr can do what he does". Which of course struck me as funny, but it sounds like what you guys are talking about--that things can be done in the studio that represent a special moment in time, with a thousand little variables that couldn't be done again twice, even if you wanted to?

I mean, I'm asking here, not trying to state a fact. I had always wanted to ask this of those of you that record in the studio.

I'm such a Smiths fan, that I haven't even had any interest in Morrissey's or Marr's post-Smith work. To me, they created something special because of the symbiotic creative bond between them. A perfect mesh of lyrics and music.

I don't know, maybe I'm missing out on some other very good music.

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JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Nov 24 2007 02:00 AM I've only listened to the Smiths this Thanksgiving weekend. So I must create another Johnny Marr thread. Pictures will follow. How brilliant was Johnny on the 12 string? I never heard any prior or since then play the 12 string like he did, and I'm sure many have tried. image image Top
Dan_Francisco Joined: Sep 21, 2007 Posts: 105 Las England.	Posted on Nov 24 2007 03:24 AM I saw The Smiths in 85(?) on the Meat is Murder tour. Seeing them live sorta spoiled them for me, and never was a fan after that!(I think it was Morrissey's fault! ) Although Marr certainly does have the skills! — http://www.myspace.com/surfpunkdiscopanzer Top
spskins Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3783 tn	Posted on Nov 24 2007 12:58 PM Me too, with New Order. Like many of the bands of the time and the genre, the live show was not their strength. I'm pretty sure the guitars for How Soon Is Now was a pre-recorded playback and he just played little parts over it. — http://www.satanspilgrims.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/Satans-Pilgrims/8210228553 https://satanspilgrims.bandcamp.com/ http://www.surfyindustries.com Top
Dan_Francisco Joined: Sep 21, 2007 Posts: 105 Las England.	Posted on Nov 24 2007 01:08 PM Lets get Him! — http://www.myspace.com/surfpunkdiscopanzer Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Nov 24 2007 01:57 PM I was always baffled as to why for most of the Smiths' career it was just Johnny on guitar live. He has too many parts to duplicate live. And when the played live it seems like they played the songs slower, which really took down the energy of Morrissey's already meandering melodies. Top
IvanP Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan	Posted on Nov 24 2007 02:14 PM spskins Me too, with New Order. Like many of the bands of the time and the genre, the live show was not their strength. I'm pretty sure the guitars for How Soon Is Now was a pre-recorded playback and he just played little parts over it. Did they ever do How Soon is Now live? I was under an impression they didn't, basically because it's such a studio creation there was no way to do it live (it might be doable today with the new technology, with looping devices and tap-tempo trem pedals and samplers). He used two Twin Reverbs and had to record in 10-second (or something like that) snippets in order to keep the vibrato/tremolo in tempo with the song. And I read that he doesn't remember - and can't figure out again - what harmonizer setting he used for that prominent descending slide part on the song. Jake, wasn't there a second guitarist on the Smiths' only live album, Rank? Ivan — Ivan Lords of Atlantis on Facebook The Madeira Official Website The Madeira on Facebook The Blair-Pongracic Band on Facebook The Space Cossacks on Facebook The Madeira Channel on YouTube Top
Dan_Francisco Joined: Sep 21, 2007 Posts: 105 Las England.	Posted on Nov 24 2007 02:24 PM One of the first (and most) dissappointing things at the gig was the fact that came on to a Marr loop! — http://www.myspace.com/surfpunkdiscopanzer Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Nov 24 2007 02:34 PM IvanP spskins Me too, with New Order. Like many of the bands of the time and the genre, the live show was not their strength. I'm pretty sure the guitars for How Soon Is Now was a pre-recorded playback and he just played little parts over it. Did they ever do How Soon is Now live? I was under an impression they didn't, basically because it's such a studio creation there was no way to do it live (it might be doable today with the new technology, with looping devices and tap-tempo trem pedals and samplers). He used two Twin Reverbs and had to record in 10-second (or something like that) snippets in order to keep the vibrato/tremolo in tempo with the song. And I read that he doesn't remember - and can't figure out again - what harmonizer setting he used for that prominent descending slide part on the song. Jake, wasn't there a second guitarist on the Smiths' only live album, Rank? Ivan Yeah, there was a second guitarist for that live album, I haven't heard it though. And it was four twins for How Soon is Now?. They had people on all four amps controlling the knobs to keep it in time, in the 10 second intervals you mentioned. And the sliding guitar part was played through a harmonizer several times. I think it may have gone through 6 times or so. They played it live once or twice, they just looped it in. Top
websurfer Joined: May 14, 2007 Posts: 1753	Posted on Nov 24 2007 04:00 PM Just looking at my copy of "Rank" . . . After listing the four band members, it simply says "with Craig Gannon--additional guitars". I remember that interview with Noel Gallagher, and he said that he couldn't play what Marr does most of the time, but then added that "not even Marr can do what he does". Which of course struck me as funny, but it sounds like what you guys are talking about--that things can be done in the studio that represent a special moment in time, with a thousand little variables that couldn't be done again twice, even if you wanted to? I mean, I'm asking here, not trying to state a fact. I had always wanted to ask this of those of you that record in the studio. I'm such a Smiths fan, that I haven't even had any interest in Morrissey's or Marr's post-Smith work. To me, they created something special because of the symbiotic creative bond between them. A perfect mesh of lyrics and music. I don't know, maybe I'm missing out on some other very good music. Top

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