AgentClaret
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Posted on Jun 29 2024 11:15 PM
Hey guys! I just got a Jazzmaster and I'm already starting to hate the bridge. I'm already starting to think about an upgrade. So I'd just sort of like to get your guys opinions on JM bridges...
What's the current favorites? I'm leaning toward Fender AVRI or Staytrem. Those still rock back and forth, right? I'm hesitant to go Mastery because it seems like it changes the whole spirit of the JM (well, and the cost). Also, I'm not sure I want to wait the three months it takes to get a Staytrem, at least not without some kind of slight upgrade in the meantime... I almost bought a Mustang bridge but then i noticed the string spacing is different from a JM. EDIT: I found one with the proper 52mm spacing on eBay.
I'm not so much having problems with the saddles or break angle but the stupid bridge posts keep lowering while I'm playing. Is that something I can use a little Loctite for?
I do have some shims coming to increase that break angle a little more.
Any ideas and opinions are welcome!
Vintera II 50's Jazzmaster with new pickguard and American string guide
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DrippyReverbTremolo
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 03:02 AM
Yes, a drop of Loctite will prevent the bridge post from lowering the bridge on their own account. It's a good temporary solution while you wait for the Staytrem bridge. I use those because of their string spacing and build quality. Very good value for money.(Yes it is a rocking bridge).
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chiba
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 08:31 AM
Do you want tradition or do you want perfect intonation?
Try a Mustang bridge. Lots cheaper and no waiting - I think I got mine on Amazon. It works just fine - it's not great, nor is it terrible - but it's miles better than the grooved nightmare that came stock on my MIJ Jazzmaster.
Staytrem products are worth the wait. Mastery products are worth the cost. It all comes down to personal preference and budget.
(PS I have Staytrem products. I chose the wait over the expense.)
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AgentClaret
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 09:48 AM
I ended up getting the Mustang bridge with proper spacing from eBay. This ought to hold me over until I decide between Mastery or Staytrem.
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Samurai
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 10:10 AM
I have original bridge, Mustang bridge and Staytrem on my offsets. Surely Staytrem is better but I am also ok with original threaded bridge, some Loctite, heavy strings, shim if needed and you are ok with it.
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AgentClaret
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 10:36 AM
I have some 11's on it, I like thick strings anyway! I'm going to put a .25 shim in it later today.
Where do I put the Loctite on the bridge? My best guess screw the bridge posts all the way out, apply a dab of Loctite to exposed threads and screw it back up unto the bridge?
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DeathTide
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New Orleans
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 10:47 AM
Blue loctite on the threads of the bridge posts. If you're good with the original bridge, this is the cheapest solution.
I just got a new Tuffset bridge, and I'm having a hard time deciding which jag to put it on.
The Mastery does not change the fundamental character, it just sustains a little more and might be slightly brighter.
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archimedes
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 11:02 AM
I’d also recommend the Staytrem. We practically use them on all our custom offset builds at my place of business. Super simple and reliable.
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AgentClaret
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 11:08 AM
What are some advantages of the Staytrem over a Mustang bridge? Remember, I'm very new to offsets and to my uneducated eye they look similar.
I'm not doubting you guys, I'm just curious! I'm definitely leaning toward the Staytrem and just using the eBay Mustang bridge I bought until it gets here.
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archimedes
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 01:13 PM
The staytrem bridge is a bit more solidly built and I believe you can order it with a different radius if you needed it. I haven’t looked at a standard mustang bridge in a while to compare them but I would guess the string slots on the staytrem might be a little deeper to reduce the strings popping out with heavier picking or strumming. The regular mustang bridge is really a good enough improvement over the classic jazz/jag bridge that you might be plenty happy with it. The staytrem website might break down the benefits. Either way, if you don’t dig the classic jazz/jag bridge, both the mustang and staytrem will be an improvement.
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archimedes
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 01:16 PM
One thing I just remembered about the stay trem that is great is that the saddle screws are locked in place so the saddles can’t wiggle left or right. Some of the cheaper bridges have the saddles moving all over the place. All that locked down stability will likely increase your sustain a bit which is something most of the aftermarket improved offset bridges will provide.
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AgentClaret
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 03:47 PM
Awesome, thanks for the info.
I'm officially on the waiting list for a Staytrem. They don't charge until it ships anyways so i figured why not?
But about the bridge posts that keep lowering from playing,.. can I use Loctite (the blue temporary kind) for that?
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Fady
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North Carolina
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Posted on Jun 30 2024 04:52 PM
I'd gone the Mastery route years ago when 'Slacktone'Dave Wronski had been singing their praises. Ended up foolishly selling both my first Jaguar and Jazzmaster along with those bridges. Wisdom eventually paid me a visit and I re-acquired each model. They've now both got the classic/traditional threaded barrel original bridge & saddle setup. I have gone the blue Loctite route and have no interest in anything different.
Also, for whatever it's worth, I've not noticed any intonation issues, granted, I can appreciate Chiba's intonation comment implying a non-stationary saddle/bridge may be prone to settling out of place and therefore the issues associated with that could arise. I just setup with the bridge pushed all the way back (not seeking some nano-meter balanced mid-point). For whatever reason, that approach just seems to work for me and I use the vibrato/bar often. Lots of variables involved so YMMV.
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BB_Bunny
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Posted on Jul 02 2024 11:29 AM
chiba wrote:
Staytrem products are worth the wait. Mastery products are worth the cost.
Not to poke at the seemingly eternal debate, but I'm always curious as to why people prefer one over the other. I got a Staytrem for my Squier CV Bass VI because the stock bridge was impossible to intonate properly. Wait time aside, I'm impressed with the build quality of the Staytrem. I've only been interested in offset guitars for a few years now, but I've drunk the kool-aid when it comes to the rocking bridge design, however I can't help but notice A LOT of jazzmaster players tend to prefer the mastery and I'm not 100% sure why. I thought the rocking bridge was supposed to be more of a feature than a flaw and the fact that the Mastery doesn't allow independent intonation adjustment per-saddle makes me raise my eyebrows.
TLDR: If anyone in the thread has a preference for either staytrem or mastery, I'd love to hear why.
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AgentClaret
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Posted on Jul 02 2024 12:50 PM
I got fed up and tried some Loctite on the stock vintage bridge last night. I used up all my free time doing that and setting it up again so I didn't really get to play it yet but fingers crossed!
I'm starting to lean back towards the Mastery, myself, I know the stock bridges were designed to rock but it just seems like such a poor idea to me. If it were a good idea every bridged instrument would do it, right?
EDIT: the Loctite seems to have worked! The stock bridge still sucks, though.
Also, I think I might need to increase the shim in the neck. I have a .25 in there now and just eyeballing it makes it look like it still almost has a forward tilt instead of back tilt. The action is pretty high and I'm still getting a little bit of choking in the upper frets on the high E string.
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BB_Bunny
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Posted on Jul 02 2024 10:27 PM
AgentClaret wrote:
Also, I think I might need to increase the shim in the neck. I have a .25 in there now and just eyeballing it makes it look like it still almost has a forward tilt instead of back tilt. The action is pretty high and I'm still getting a little bit of choking in the upper frets on the high E string.
I'm not an expert, but as far as I know, the shim shouldn't affect choking in the upper register. It should allow you to raise the bridge to increase downward pressure on the bridge while keeping the action low. I'd check the frets with a fret rocker to make sure they're even, and maybe check how much relief you have on the truss rod (although in my limited experience, the truss rod issues would tend to result in buzzing more on the lower frets than the upper ones).
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AgentClaret
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Posted on Jul 02 2024 11:16 PM
I may not have the radius set quite right. I just got a set of gauges for that but don't know how to properly use them so my E strings might be a little low, thus the choking.
I dunno, I'm used to Strats, this is a whole new beast to me...
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BB_Bunny
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Posted on Jul 02 2024 11:55 PM
AgentClaret wrote:
I may not have the radius set quite right. I just got a set of gauges for that but don't know how to properly use them so my E strings might be a little low, thus the choking.
I dunno, I'm used to Strats, this is a whole new beast to me...
It's fiddly work, but I've learned to enjoy the tinkering. You can really customize an awful lot with offset guitars. You want to pop the appropriately sized radius gauge so that the top edge of the curve is UNDER the strings right in front of the bridge. The handle will be between the D and G string. The idea is to set the curvature of the underside of the strings so that they match the neck/frets exactly. Set the high E and low E first. If the middle strings are getting in the way, just set them high to get them away. Then work your way from outside in setting the height of each string so that it just barely touches the top of the radius gauge. Make sure you're not really yanking on it to lift the strings. Don't worry about setting the action. This is just to make sure the radius is correct.
Once that's set, you can raise or lower the bridge to taste to actually set the action.
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AgentClaret
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Posted on Jul 03 2024 06:46 AM
Awesome, thanks for the info!
I've got a Mustang bridge coming anyway, that will take the guess work out of the radius for me...
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AgentClaret
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Posted on Jul 05 2024 11:34 PM
After reading on some other forums I've come to discover that the thimbles in the Vintera series are extra small and leave the bridge very little room to rock. I'd kind of wondered about that but this is my first offset so I didn't know what a normal amount of rocking is.
That's fine, I've decided I'm not rocking mine. I've got the Mustang bridge in 52mm on it now and I lowered the break angle and lubed the saddles today. It's staying in tune so much better!
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