BenPerkins
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Posted on Mar 13 2024 08:48 PM
Came across a couple EHX YouTube videos of the Oceans 3-Verb, and was wondering if anyone here has played it? Are they any improvements or difference compared to the Oceans 11 spring reverb?
Thank you
— I want to hear Caravan with a drum solo.
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synchro
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Posted on Mar 14 2024 12:05 AM
No direct experience, but I’ve heard a lot of good things about the Ocean’s 11 pedal, and I believe that this pedal uses the same Spring, Plate and Hall reverbs as the Ocean’s 11, which enjoy a good reputation.
I see this as a nice platform. One reason I’ve never bought an Ocean’s 11 is that I don’t want 11 reverb types. Spring, Plate and Hall will cover any of my reverb needs, and in fact these are the very three types I use. Spring, is the obvious choice for Surf, although Plate also works. I choose Plate for middle of the road material; Pop, C&W, etc. and Hall can be a very rich sound.
DSP based reverb pedals have gotten pretty good. They won’t dethrone a vintage 6G15, but they sound pretty good. I’ve personally used the TC Electronic Hall of Fame, the Catalinbread Topanga, and currently use a Source Audio True Spring. All three sound good, and are up to the task of providing some great Surf sounds. I expect that the Ocean’s. Will be at least as good.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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surferjoemusic
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Livorno
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Posted on Mar 14 2024 07:30 AM
What about a SurfyBear and actual springs instead of a sound blaster kind of thing? Just asking for a friend
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synchro
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Posted on Mar 14 2024 08:04 AM
surferjoemusic wrote:
What about a SurfyBear and actual springs instead of a sound blaster kind of thing? Just asking for a friend
Not everyone wants to carry a tank, and some folks are on a tight budget.
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surferjoemusic
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Livorno
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Posted on Mar 14 2024 08:30 AM
synchro wrote:
surferjoemusic wrote:
What about a SurfyBear and actual springs instead of a sound blaster kind of thing? Just asking for a friend
Not everyone wants to carry a tank, and some folks are on a tight budget.
I agree on the budget. I disagree on the tank, so the compact is not exactly bigger than a pedal.
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DeathTide
Joined: Apr 13, 2018
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New Orleans
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Posted on Mar 14 2024 09:43 AM
This is such a strange phenomena on the site. We all know the only answer is a proper tube 6g15 or a Surfy Bear, Yet somehow the thought remains that another device can produce similar surfy reverb.
At this point in the development of mankind, nothing but those two devices will sound 100% correct. You can probably get to 70% or maybe even 80% with some digital thing.
That's not to say that many of these digital reverb pedals don't sound nice, many of them totally do. But they do not sound like a legit surf reverb. So rather than the "will it work" type of questions, I'd rather see some sort of scale rating. You know, how close each pedal gets to the 6G15! 6g15 and Surfy Bear are 10s, that Oceans 11 pedal is maybe a 6, and the drips sound super fake to me. In fact I'd love there to be some sort of ongoing index listing all of the reverb and tremolo pedals with a site rating. That would be awesome.
— Daniel Deathtide
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synchro
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Posted on Mar 14 2024 11:05 AM
surferjoemusic wrote:
synchro wrote:
surferjoemusic wrote:
What about a SurfyBear and actual springs instead of a sound blaster kind of thing? Just asking for a friend
Not everyone wants to carry a tank, and some folks are on a tight budget.
I agree on the budget. I disagree on the tank, so the compact is not exactly bigger than a pedal.
I see your point. I certainly have nothing but respect for the Surfy Bear reverbs. They are probably the best reverb solution, in the market. Where that is concerned, the entire Surfy Industries line is excellent; I have recommended the Blossom Point to a lot of people, even non Surf players. I routinely use it for Jazz, Country, Classic Rock, and pretty much everything else. I’ve even played Classical through a Blossom Point. I own three of them and they are literally always on.
Speaking for myself only; I haven’t gigged for a living in years, and mostly play small events, such as Food Bank drives, etc. Many of the gigs I play are only one set long, so getting in and out fast is very important, and I try to travel light. We used to do an annual gig at the Fair, and it was one 90 minute set, but our setup and tear down time was very restricted. For gigs such as this, I used a backpack for cables and mic’s, a shoulder bag for a pedalboard, carried my guitar case with one hand, and a small amp in the other. I let the PA do the heavy lifting, and it sounded good from the audience’s perspective. I remember stepping out in front of the PA Mains and my little 5 watt amp sounded huge through the PA system. At such gigs, the tank stayed at home.
When my main source of income was performing and teaching, I did things differently, but even in those years, my overall trend was towards using the smallest, simplest rig possible. Fortunately, I have some great gear and can cover a lot of ground, so my purchases are becoming evermore rare.
I would end by saying this; if you want the exact sound of a reverb tank, use a reverb tank, and the Surfy Bear is a great choice. If I ever buy another tank, it will almost certainly be a Surfy Bear. If your circumstances are such that a tank isn’t in the cards, there are some excellent DSP-based pedals that sound very good, and IMHO, the EHX Ocean’s lineup, the Catalinbread Topanga and the Source Audio True Spring are great examples of this, although there are many other reverb pedals that have earned a great reputation.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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AgentClaret
Joined: Jan 30, 2024
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Posted on Mar 14 2024 11:43 AM
I've got an Oceans 11. It will definitely get you close. I've been mostly happy with it but am lately noticing some of its limitations. It's not %100 but it's also a lot more affordable and you get 10 other effects for the price.
That being said, I'm looking to pick up a Surfy Bear Metal when tax returns roll around.
I kind of don't understand the point of the Oceans 3. The 11 is only a little bit more and only marginally bigger.
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BenPerkins
Joined: Oct 19, 2011
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Posted on Mar 14 2024 01:11 PM
AgentClaret wrote:
I've got an Oceans 11. It will definitely get you close. I've been mostly happy with it but am lately noticing some of its limitations. It's not %100 but it's also a lot more affordable and you get 10 other effects for the price.
That being said, I'm looking to pick up a Surfy Bear Metal when tax returns roll around.
I kind of don't understand the point of the Oceans 3. The 11 is only a little bit more and only marginally bigger.
Gotcha. Personally, I have an Oceans 11 and a 6G15. I could see the 3-Verb being useful for someone that doesn't want the other settings. Or, if they have a mini pedalboard with limited real estate.
— I want to hear Caravan with a drum solo.
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synchro
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Posted on Mar 14 2024 07:16 PM
BenPerkins wrote:
AgentClaret wrote:
I've got an Oceans 11. It will definitely get you close. I've been mostly happy with it but am lately noticing some of its limitations. It's not %100 but it's also a lot more affordable and you get 10 other effects for the price.
That being said, I'm looking to pick up a Surfy Bear Metal when tax returns roll around.
I kind of don't understand the point of the Oceans 3. The 11 is only a little bit more and only marginally bigger.
Gotcha. Personally, I have an Oceans 11 and a 6G15. I could see the 3-Verb being useful for someone that doesn't want the other settings. Or, if they have a mini pedalboard with limited real estate.
That’s how it would strike me, as well. The selections available on an Ocean’s 11 are great, but I would never use any of them, except the three which are on the Ocean’s 3. My approach has been to minimize variables, and do my switching with the soul of my shoe. So I have separate pedals, if I want to use different types of reverbs.
The photo is an example, with the Blue Nebula providing various delays and plate reverb, all foot controlled. The Dispatch Master is hall reverb and delay, for sort of a Chet Atkins sound, and the True Spring is spring reverb. While the True Spring has good tremolo, it can’t be added without pushing a button on the pedal, so I also have a tremolo pedal and a tap tempo switch.
It’s just one approach, but it works for me.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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Bango_Rilla
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Posted on Mar 16 2024 04:45 PM
Different reverb strokes for different reverb folks! If I was an ape that was looking for multiple different verbs in one package, a pedal is the way to go. This ape has a Surfybear tank in one of his amps and LOVES it but the nature of a GGR gig usually means as little space used as possible. Just measured the compact Surfybear and it's just a hair bigger than the new small format pedalboard I got, so it's no go for me at the moment. Just now, not forever.
Different uses for different stuffs.
I love the Source Audio True Spring, there's a small tap pedal that you can add to it to get the trem (Here, not my auction, I have one but when I had it on the board just "to have" I tapped it multiple times accidentally throughout a gig the but this gorilla is constantly wiping fur out of his eyes, so it's a matter of "need" vs "nice to have".
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Sep 20 2024 10:13 PM
I just picked up one of these - UNBELIEVABLE!!! It's like a vintage tank but with far more control over the parameters to dial in the perfect reverb. At some point soon I'll make a video. I'm here wondering if I'll ever bother to pack my tank again.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
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synchro
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Posted on Sep 21 2024 12:16 AM
DannySnyder wrote:
I just picked up one of these - UNBELIEVABLE!!! It's like a vintage tank but with far more control over the parameters to dial in the perfect reverb. At some point soon I'll make a video. I'm here wondering if I'll ever bother to pack my tank again.
I love the sound of a tank, and I’ve played a vintage 6G15 which was sublime, but these DSP based pedals have become amazingly good. Looking at the specs of the Oceans 3, it has a very laudable 2.2 megohm input impedance, and a 680 ohm output impedance. If this is the first thing the guitar signal hits, you will have a very crisp response, with those numbers.
As I understand it, Spring reverb is one of the most difficult things to model in a DSP. But they seem to have cracked the code, and there are some very worthy reverb pedals out there, these days. Having Spring and Hall reverbs available could come in handy. Plate can work well for Surf. Hall is great for a lush reverb with character.
Even if someone didn’t use the reverb, this pedal is way above average as buffers go. The manual makes for interesting reading.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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IceratzSurf
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Posted on Sep 21 2024 07:52 AM
I have the Oceans 3 Verb on my mini pedal board, it's awesome.
It's not 'the best' but it's great vintage drip as compared to any other mini pedal available.
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taijiguy
Joined: Mar 27, 2006
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Newington, CT USA
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Posted on Sep 21 2024 08:29 AM
I really like my Oceans 11...not just for the reverbs, but for some of the other settings like the tremolo and shimmer. This guy does a nice demo of the spring, echo and tremolo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZgx9glT6EY
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TallTenor
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Posted on Sep 21 2024 09:02 AM
Yeah the Oceans is fine. I’ve seen plenty of bands using it or other pedals. They sound great live. You may want the real thing if primarily playing alone. That being said, I do use the Compact these days. If it died though I’d just go back to smaller platform pedals probably.
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edwardsand
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Posted on Sep 21 2024 09:18 AM
I've got a Surfybear, but I could see a use for the Ocean's 3 because it has a couple other types of reverb that might go well with other styles I play. It's also easily portable, so would be useful if I want to take one of my non-verb amps to somebody's house to play.
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synchro
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Posted on Sep 21 2024 11:11 AM
edwardsand wrote:
I've got a Surfybear, but I could see a use for the Ocean's 3 because it has a couple other types of reverb that might go well with other styles I play. It's also easily portable, so would be useful if I want to take one of my non-verb amps to somebody's house to play.
You make a good point. Both Hall and Plate reverbs come in quite handy, in other genres. I’ve used Plate for Surf and while it does not have the same character as Spring, it sounds pretty good and might even be my go to for mellower Surf tunes, tunes like Summer Surf, which are not necessarily in need of the plethora of reverberation one would get from a 6G15.
One thing I like about the Ocean’s 3 is that in Spring mode, you can select the spring length. My Source Audio True Spring has this selection, via toggle switch, and the long-spring setting is a lot more tame than the setting which simulates a tank. This comes in handy if you are playing a variety of genres and don’t want drip on every song.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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AgentClaret
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Posted on Sep 21 2024 12:56 PM
Since my last comment got a Surfy Bear Classic 3.0 but if I were doing a small gig or just going up north with a headphone amp or something I would definitely just bring my Oceans 11. It certainly doesnt beat the SB but I still think it gets satisfactorily close.
In fact I still keep it on my board and I get to use all the other features instead of just keeping it on spring all the time!
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taijiguy
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Posted on Sep 23 2024 08:24 AM
Has anyone tried dialing in some amp reverb along with an Oceans 3 or 11 to make it sound more tank-like?
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