archimedes
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Posted on Sep 09 2007 05:46 PM
are they any of you guys that play with flatwounds on your jazzmasters that are able to bend very well? i use d'darrio 11's and they will only go a quarter of a step up. kind of annoying because i listen to a lot of ventures and we all know how nokie is with his bends. can anybody recommend some good flatwounds or maybe a brand with a lighter gauge perhaps. i love the way my guitar sounds with these strings on one hand but i would really like to have a little more freedom and not have to switch guitars for more flexibility. thanks!
Tim
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eddiekatcher
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Posted on Sep 09 2007 06:20 PM
I use D'adario 12 flats and I can bend them ok. The biggest problem is trying to keep them tuned. Try a plain 3rd, maybe a .020 or .022 and see if that rocks your socks. It will be much louder than the normal wound 3rd flat also. I tried that some years back and it worked pretty good.......ed
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JoshHeartless
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Bay City, Michigan
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Posted on Sep 09 2007 06:26 PM
Tomastik Infeld swing series have lower tension than D'addario Chromes.
yeah, try an unwound G.
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archimedes
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Posted on Sep 10 2007 12:09 AM
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dp
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Posted on Sep 10 2007 01:45 PM
I use the Pyramid 053-013...big-ass flats...with a wound G...
...but, the only bending I ever do is around the tuning post...
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Sep 10 2007 02:22 PM
I can do big bends with my 12s. You just need to build up the ability to do so.
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Kawentzmann
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Berlin, Germany
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Posted on Sep 10 2007 02:23 PM
dp
I use the Pyramid 053-013...big-ass flats...with a wound G...
...but, the only bending I ever do is around the tuning post...
I second that, but I like a good horizontal vibrato.
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WR
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Posted on Sep 10 2007 03:51 PM
just change your fingerings away from the nut, and learn to bend down (direction of feet) instead of up.
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Shwa City
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Posted on Sep 10 2007 03:57 PM
WR
just change your fingerings away from the nut, and learn to bend down (direction of feet) instead of up.
bending down works very well. Some people will look at you sideways but meh.
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Pyronauts
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Northern CA
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Posted on Sep 10 2007 04:15 PM
I just switched to Rotosounds and I love em'! They are easier to bend that the Fender stainless flats that I was using before.
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Ruhar
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San Diego, CA
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Posted on Sep 10 2007 04:25 PM
I used to bend a lot when I was using rounds. I just try and do my bending on the 1st and 2nd strings now. Seems to work out fine. Also, like bots said, bending down helps as well.
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dp
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mojave desert, california
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Posted on Sep 10 2007 05:19 PM
if you work on your forearm strength, bending big strings should become easier. maybe you could play the bass for a while each day, that and extra spinach in your diet should help forearm strength and endurance immensely.
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archimedes
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Posted on Sep 10 2007 06:38 PM
well, when i bend the G string it only goes so far. it begins to get so tight im afraid it might break. maybe im just going too easy on my guitar.  where can i get rotosounds? i will also try bending down. never really thought about that one in a while. it will take some getting used to. thanks again for all the helpful suggestions.
Tim
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JoshHeartless
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Bay City, Michigan
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Posted on Sep 10 2007 07:49 PM
also, doing the whole bending on the G is something not commonly done in much early rock n roll music, they would always slide the G up 2 frets in stead of bending it up like that. you'll get much more of a classic sound just by doing that.
just listen to dick dale, he does it all the time.
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Pyronauts
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Posted on Sep 11 2007 12:50 PM
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Kawentzmann
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Berlin, Germany
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Posted on Sep 12 2007 08:22 AM
JoshHeartless
also, doing the whole bending on the G is something not commonly done in much early rock n roll music, they would always slide the G up 2 frets in stead of bending it up like that. you'll get much more of a classic sound just by doing that.
just listen to dick dale, he does it all the time.
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IronMaiden
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Virginia Beach
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Posted on Sep 12 2007 08:53 AM
JoshHeartless
also, doing the whole bending on the G is something not commonly done in much early rock n roll music,
What about Chuck Berry in like 1955?
As far as bending a wound G its not that its hard to do its just you have to bend it more to get the same pitch as an unwound which is a PITA to me. (because when going back to an unwound on a different guitarI end up overbending and vice versa)
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dp
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mojave desert, california
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Posted on Sep 12 2007 03:54 PM
I like bending the big fat low E string sometimes...like at the beginning of "Peter Gunn"...
I usually bend that one down towards the ground, 'cause when I bend it up towards the sky its goes off the fretboard...and then I really feel like a dork.
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JoshHeartless
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Bay City, Michigan
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Posted on Sep 12 2007 06:14 PM
IronMaiden
JoshHeartless
also, doing the whole bending on the G is something not commonly done in much early rock n roll music,
What about Chuck Berry in like 1955?
he doesn't bend too much. he does more of the sliding that i was talking about. eddie cochran bent alot, but i've heard that he used banjo strings to do that. it was common to have a wound third back then, and that's why it was never done too much. G's are just better to slide, and in my opinion, it sounds cooler.
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craigs63
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Napertucky, IL
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Posted on Sep 15 2007 03:32 PM
JoshHeartless
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also, doing the whole bending on the G is something not commonly done in much early rock n roll music,
What about Chuck Berry in like 1955?
he doesn't bend too much. he does more of the sliding that i was talking about.
Doesn't "Johnny B. Goode" (and probably a lot of his other songs in that style) have him bending the G string up to the same pitch being held on the B string (I'm thinking of the part just after the intro and before the vocals starts...)
And "Carol" has the double-stop on the B and G strings being bent...
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