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Posted on Jan 22 2024 08:43 PM
Curious if anyone has made an exhaustive list identifying all the Jerry Cole compositions under various names?
Such as ‘The Big Board’ (from Surfin’ Around by Billy Lazar & the Woody Wagoners) being the same composition as ‘T Roadster’ (from Hot Rod Dance Party)
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Posted on Jan 23 2024 10:52 AM
This is something I have been meaning to do! I went down the Jerry Cole rabbit hole last year and have been totally blown away. At first glance all those cheap Crown albums are pretty hokey and the lyrics aren't too great. At least two songs per album at least have a catchy melody, but what had me listening song after song were his blistering solos! The tension building up to each one is very obvious and you can almost hear how badly he wants to turn loose. Controlled chaos! Of course he recycles quiet a few songs in between albums but sometimes there are little tweaks that keep them interesting.
I am going to try and put together a list or excel sheet this year.
Side note: I am confident he is playing guitar on the last 4 songs of Tommy Roe's "Everybody Likes" album. Almost Grown, I Got a Girl, That'll be the Day and Switchie Witchie
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Posted on Jan 23 2024 05:57 PM
Yeah there's a pretty big JC rabbit hole for sure! He's easy to spot if you know how he sounds.Check out Cole's Crown Records' all-instro go-go LPs as well as the mostly instro psychedelic LPs on the Custom label under various pseudonyms - T.Swift & The Elecric Bag, The Projection Co., MacArthur Park and several more....great guitar tracks! I produced and annotated a few Jerry Cole reissue projects for Ace Records including "Hot Rod Twangin'" which also includes many of the hotrod tracks, sans the dreadful vocals. A good overview of the psych material is either "Psychedelic Guitars" on Ace or "Guitar Freakout"- a double LP on Sundazed Music that I also worked on.It includes several of the psychedelic tracks as well as the entire 1968 "Animated Egg" LP which was released by another explo/budget label, Alshire Records, out of Burbank. Of course Cole had three instro LPs on Capitol as well as a few novelty projects including the one you mentioned above. And that's him on several Liberty Records LPs including "Speedboats USA". As you probably know, he recorded with the Beach Boys, Paul Revere, The Byrds and countless others...I'll have to check out the Tommy Roe songs that you mentioned, Roe was a pretty fine guitarist himself!
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3ballsoffire
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Posted on Jan 23 2024 06:17 PM
And in response to surfalbumcovers - I take care of all of Cole's licensing, etc and I can tell you he had numerous identical tracks under differing titles - depending on the subject the LP was putting out there. Way too many to list here - he pretty much covered all of the bases!
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Surfalbumcovers
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Posted on Jan 23 2024 06:23 PM
TheCruelSea wrote:
This is something I have been meaning to do! I went down the Jerry Cole rabbit hole last year and have been totally blown away. At first glance all those cheap Crown albums are pretty hokey and the lyrics aren't too great. At least two songs per album at least have a catchy melody, but what had me listening song after song were his blistering solos! The tension building up to each one is very obvious and you can almost hear how badly he wants to turn loose. Controlled chaos! Of course he recycles quiet a few songs in between albums but sometimes there are little tweaks that keep them interesting.
I am going to try and put together a list or excel sheet this year.
Side note: I am confident he is playing guitar on the last 4 songs of Tommy Roe's "Everybody Likes" album. Almost Grown, I Got a Girl, That'll be the Day and Switchie Witchie
I’ve done some work cataloging them on my website https://surfroute101.wixsite.com/surfroute101
But perhaps I’ll have to dig in this weekend
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Posted on Jan 23 2024 06:25 PM
3ballsoffire wrote:
And in response to surfalbumcovers - I take care of all of Cole's licensing, etc and I can tell you he had numerous identical tracks under differing titles - depending on the subject the LP was putting out there. Way too many to list here - he pretty much covered all of the bases!
So cool! I’m sure there’s a lot of crossover. I’ll definitely have to have you take a look when I (eventually) create the list then.
You wouldn’t happen to know the copyright dates for the Billy Lazar Surfin’ Around album would you? I’ve always been curious if it predated the Liberty, Capitol, snd Crown releases?
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Posted on Jan 24 2024 12:30 AM
All those hot rod/surf records were recorded around the same time - Crown titles and the Billy Lazar LP were definately a little earlier than the major label LPs - somewhere around 1963. Most of those budget label records were never copyrighted and I seriously doubt that "Surfin Around" was, but I can't say for sure. They also recorded all of the Crown LPs at their headquarters on Normandy Ave. in LA....where the art work, the manufacuring and everything else was done, all in house! Bill Lazerus was the recording engineer there and I suspect he also had something to do with "Surfin Around". The track,"Surf Bustin", appears as "Twin Scramblers" from Cycle Psychos LP and "Surf Bustin" is "Pealin Out" from the Hot Rod Alley LP. The Surfin Around tracks are even raunchier than the Crown versions so I think they were probably first. I never got around to asking Cole about that LP but we recorded the "3 Balls of Fire - Live" CD with him, Nokie Edwards and George Tomsco and we did "Twin Scramblers" and "Pealin Out" in 2007 - 42 years after their original release!
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Posted on Jan 24 2024 02:07 AM
Since we are talking Jerry Cole, it would be great if somebody could shed some light on a question that has been bugging me.
Who really wrote "Nitro Fuel" on Dick Dale's Mr. Eliminator? Jerry Cole played on that album The track is credited to Dale, but it is VERY reminiscent of "Boss Dance" which is on Jerry Cole's "Hot Rod Dance Party", as well as being a single release. The track is credited there to producer Jim Economides, who produced both records. I'm pretty sure I remember another Jerry Cole track that sounds almost the same, too.
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Surfalbumcovers
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Posted on Jan 24 2024 04:22 AM
3ballsoffire wrote:
All those hot rod/surf records were recorded around the same time - Crown titles and the Billy Lazar LP were definately a little earlier than the major label LPs - somewhere around 1963. Most of those budget label records were never copyrighted and I seriously doubt that "Surfin Around" was, but I can't say for sure. They also recorded all of the Crown LPs at their headquarters on Normandy Ave. in LA....where the art work, the manufacuring and everything else was done, all in house! Bill Lazerus was the recording engineer there and I suspect he also had something to do with "Surfin Around". The track,"Surf Bustin", appears as "Twin Scramblers" from Cycle Psychos LP and "Surf Bustin" is "Pealin Out" from the Hot Rod Alley LP. The Surfin Around tracks are even raunchier than the Crown versions so I think they were probably first. I never got around to asking Cole about that LP but we recorded the "3 Balls of Fire - Live" CD with him, Nokie Edwards and George Tomsco and we did "Twin Scramblers" and "Pealin Out" in 2007 - 42 years after their original release!
That’s amazing to hear! Great info on Bill Lazarus - didn’t even know. It took me forever to find a copy of Surfin Around and when I realized it was Cole, I has a hunch it was recorded first. You’re right, it’s definitely my favorite renditions of those recycled tunes. Also didn’t know the Crown albums predated the major label releases. Very interesting.
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Posted on Mar 01 2024 11:02 AM
Alright, I've spent the past few weeks working on this. I have created an Excel Spreadsheet PDF cataloging every Jerry Cole surf track.
A couple of notes:
1. Each album and track have a unique color
2. A black bar preceding a song delineates that particular composition is unique to that album
3. Songs in grey are tunes that are not unique to the album and were either recycled in full or in part on other albums.
4.Vocal tunes are marked with "#"
5. Albums are listed in chronological order. Because no dates are available for the Crown albums, I followed catalog numbers
A couple of song-specific notes:
-'Turbine Hydro' uses the same opening riff as 'The Big Board', through the rest of the song is mostly unique
-The Spacemen have two different songs called Night Rumble on HOT ROD DANCE PARTY and SURF AGE -> these are delineated by (1) and (2).
-'Bike Talk' on CYCLE PSYCHOS is not the same as the 'Bike Talk' on MOTORCYCLES USA
-I'm pretty sure Cole had a Willys Jeep at one point as two songs ('Wild Willys' from BIG HOT ROD /'Little Willys Dragster' from SOUNDS OF THE DRAGS) feature the obscure vehicle
-The melody of '305 Dream' is extremely similar to that of the 'Hot Rod Queen'. The guitar solos are nearly identical
-'Match the Test is essentially a rewrite of the Rip-Chords' 'Hey Little Cobra'
-'The Strut' (Night Rumble (2), 'Out in Front' sounds very similar to 'Drag Shoot'
-I believe that 'Night Rumble (2) used the same chart as 'Driving Little Deuce' - Though subjective, I've considered these tunes just different enough to be two separate tunes.
-'The Big Race' from MOTORCYCLES U.S.A. is the the same song as 'Super Charged' from BIG HOT ROD (and later 'Power Surf' from SURF AGE) with the descending chromatic line changed to an ascending one
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Posted on Mar 01 2024 11:27 AM
anyone know how I can upload a pdf?
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ElMonstroPorFavor
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Posted on Mar 01 2024 01:12 PM
This looks amazing.... but obviously I can't see a thing.
Maybe you can link to a file on google drive?
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Posted on Mar 01 2024 01:31 PM
...or Dropbox or any other file sharing website.
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Posted on Mar 02 2024 11:32 AM
You can upload a PDF to our downloads area.
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Posted on Mar 02 2024 11:34 AM
Oh you did! Thank you!
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Posted on Mar 02 2024 12:38 PM
A google docs spreadsheet would be a nice alternative as well.
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Posted on Mar 02 2024 01:42 PM
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Posted on Mar 02 2024 01:43 PM
Bad link
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Brian
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Posted on Mar 02 2024 04:21 PM
Link works for me...?
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Posted on Mar 02 2024 11:10 PM
Now it does
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