raylinds
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Posted on Nov 05 2023 10:58 AM
As a huge fan of surf guitar and The Ventures, I have been wanting a Mosrite for a long time. Have been looking at Hallmarks but can never find them in stock or on the used market. Have done a lot of research on Japanese copies but have still been somewhat confused about which would be best and there seems so many versions and opinions about all of them.
I finally found one on Reverb that seemed like it might be worth taking a chance. It is listed as a Kurokumo and the model number on the enclosed paperwork is SPEX65 SB. It is here.
I was thinking this may be a Super Excellent based off the model number, the Tremolo and other indicators.
I will report back when I get it, but if anyone has any opinions based on the pictures, I would appreciate it. I am hoping it will make a fine addition to my Jazz Master and Strat in my collection.
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JohnnyMosrite
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Posted on Nov 05 2023 06:09 PM
Raylinds,
Good news - You got a pretty good deal.
because -
Maybe-not-so-good-news - Kurokumo has gone out of business.
I've recently bought a few bodies, necks, etc. from an American agent who has a line on their left-over stock which is being liquidated.
Kurokumo and Fillmore were the better Mosrite manufacturers in Japan.
At present, I have a '64 Mosrite under construction from a leftover Kurokumo body and neck. So far, it's looking pretty good. My American Mosrite parts retrofit very well. The neck is a tight fit into a well routed body neck pocket - the wonders of modern CNC machinery. Things have really progressed in 50-60 years of guitar manufacture.
I doubt you have an "Excellent". Your tailpiece has the five-hole Vibramute, which is quite desirable on a Mosrite. It's the tailpiece to have.
If perhaps the pickups sound a bit weak, seek out replacements with impedance in excess of 10.5K ohms. And when you can, replace the electronics. There's not much involved - a Switchcraft selector and jack, a .05 disk Capacitor, two 250K (or 500K if you like) potentiometers and some wire. Try to use coax wire between the selector switch and the pots.
Hope this helps -
- J Mo'
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raylinds
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Posted on Nov 05 2023 09:07 PM
Thanks- this is great information! I usually change out the electronics on my guitars that are not high end models- it's a cheap SQ improvement IMHO. Are there any replacement pickups I should be looking at?
Thanks,
Ray
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JohnnyMosrite
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New York City area
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Posted on Nov 06 2023 04:27 AM
Ray,
To avoid unnecessary expense, it's first things first. Get hold of a multimeter or a friend with a multimeter and measure the resistance of each pickup. Anything over 10.5K ohms should be OK. The Japanese have done a pretty good job in recreating the Mosrite "raunch" sound.
If you go on EBAY and search "Mosrite pickup", you'll see some innovative guys from Spain selling an innovative take on the Mosrite pickup with some different materials.
Most other pickup sources are Japanese - which means you might end up with what you already have. The others are Ed Elliot and maybe Dana Moseley, herself. Mosrite pickups are not cheap so again, make sure you really need a set. And, of course, getting the ones you have rewound by someone who knows what they're doing might give you what you want at reduced expense. And if it's a rewind, it should be scatter-wound in construction.
J Mo'
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raylinds
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Posted on Nov 06 2023 02:34 PM
Thanks again Johnny. After much research, I ended up gating a set of Ed Elliot pickups, as I think they are fairly priced for what they are. After lusting after a Mosrite for all of this time I decided to treat myself and have the peace of mind that it has pretty authentic pickups.
Ray
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edwardsand
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Posted on Nov 06 2023 05:36 PM
JohnnyMosrite wrote:
If you go on EBAY and search "Mosrite pickup", you'll see some innovative guys from Spain selling an innovative take on the Mosrite pickup with some different materials.
I've seen those on ebay - any idea how good they sound?
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JohnnyMosrite
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New York City area
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Posted on Nov 06 2023 06:40 PM
I have a white set from these guys in Spain slated to go into the '64 build I previously mentioned. Stay tuned.
J Mo'
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mike_fried
Joined: Aug 02, 2012
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Nashville, TN
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Posted on Nov 07 2023 10:58 AM
Ed Elliott builds excellent Mosrite pickups (he was a Semie Mosely apprentice and builds custom replicas). I have a set in my Hallmark "Les Fradkin" C60-style. Here's a link to a current sale: (http://https://www.ebay.com/itm/126068323138)
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raylinds
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Posted on Nov 09 2023 02:33 PM
It arrived today and I have to say I am not a bit disappointed. I plugged it into my Deluxe Reverb (ToneMaster)with '63 RI reverb unit and got that twangy bright sound that I was expecting. Almost too bright. The pickups don't sound very hot, but it's hard to tell.
The strings it came with are rusty and very thin- maybe even .008s. The Ed Elliot pups are on the way so will change those when I swap the pickups. I will also look at the electronics and upgrade those. If it has 500k pots, I may go to 250 to tame a little brightness. Out of curiosity will check the resistance of the pickups.
The Vibramute is staying in tune nicely so far.
Thanks for all the great input and advice!
Ray
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pavlovsdog
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Posted on Nov 09 2023 06:38 PM
How're you digging the neck? I've always adored how Mosrites sound but could never get used to that thin, flat neck profile.
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JohnnyMosrite
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New York City area
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Posted on Nov 09 2023 07:21 PM
Pav,
Mosrites are made to play fast - pick a note, get it over with and move onto the next. Having small fingers helps with the slim necks. But I've heard Joe Maphis had large fingers and he did quite OK on a Mosrite.
There are tunes I find more difficult to play on a Tele or a Strat(<-Sheesh!) but not so with a Mosrite. It's one of the easiest playing guitars I've ever encountered, and I've encountered a lot. Conversely, some tunes can sound better on the usual Fender fare. And thick twang sounds best on a Gretsch.
I never thought there was any such animal as a guitar that "does it all".
But I always did hold the personal opinion that a Mosrite looked, played and sounded better than the usual Fender or Gibson instrument.
All MHO, of course
J Mo'
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raylinds
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Posted on Nov 09 2023 08:41 PM
pavlovsdog wrote:
How're you digging the neck? I've always adored how Mosrites sound but could never get used to that thin, flat neck profile.
I actually like the feel of the neck and frets very much and was honestly a little concerned about it. I find it easy to play fast!
I can see this becoming possibly my favorite guitar, but time will tell. I will still love my Jazz Master for songs that work better with it's mellow tone, but for anything loud and raucous, I think this will be my go-to.
The cool thing is I also love psychedelic fuzz music, and Eric Brann used a Mosrite guitar and Fuzzrite for In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida. I have the reissue Fuzzrite, so now...
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JohnnyMosrite
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Posted on Nov 12 2023 09:10 AM
Ray,
Yes - Eric Braun and Iron Butterfly. The original guitarist, co-founder, and tunesmith for their first album "Heavy" was Danny Weis. From what I've read, Danny left his 1966 Ventures model Mosrite behind for 17-year-old Eric Braun. I still listen to that first album. The musicianship was pretty advanced for the time. The "Iron Butterfly Theme" and "Unconscious Power" are pretty cool tunes.
Enjoy your Mosrite. You're now in a rather different and exclusive club.
J Mo'
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Padraig
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Posted on Nov 12 2023 05:21 PM
J Mo', boy are you in my wheelhouse! A friend turned me on to "Heavy" a few months after it was released. When I first was the Iron Butterfly live in the late '60s, both Eric Braun and their bassist, Lee Dorman were playing Mosrites. I used to use the "Iron Butterfly Theme" as background music on my phone answering machine!
— Patrick
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Padraig
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Posted on Nov 12 2023 05:22 PM
Oops, I meant to say "saw" the Iron Butterfly, not "was." My bad.
— Patrick
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raylinds
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Posted on Nov 12 2023 07:54 PM
I have all of the Iron Butterfly albums and Heavy is really great- an underappreciated gem.
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Padraig
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Posted on Nov 12 2023 11:27 PM
I'm with you on that Ray, enjoy that Mosrite!
— Patrick
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beatcomber
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Posted on Nov 14 2023 05:06 PM
Hi Ray -
“action pact” from the Hoffman Forum here. Good to see you over here.
I have a very similar Kurokumo Mosrite, and yes, the it is brighter and less aggressive than what one typically expects from a Mosrite. I personally like its tone, but I also own a Hallmark that is better at achieving the authentic Mosrite sound, so it’s just another flavor for me.
The vintage Mosrite I used to own had 300k pots (or was it 350k?), so you’re defintely on the right track by replacing the 500k pots. My Hallmark is an older one (2008), made when Bob Shade was still doing them with 250k pots. That, combined with the Hallmark’s overwound pickups, gets it very close to Nokie Edward’s growly, hairy tone on “The Ventures Live in Japan 1965.” I expect you’ll get similar results with Ed Elliot’s pickups and 250k pots in your Mosrite.
I have also found that pure nickel strings in .009-.042, with the action set as low as you can get it on a ruler-flat neck, will also get you close to Nokie’s tone. My favorites are Ernie Ball Rock’n’Roll Slinkys. (I read somewhere that Mosrite actually used Ernie Ball as their OEM strings supplier in the ‘60s, so there’s another compelling reason.)
— THE HYDRONAUTS…Surf Music from the shores of old Cape Cod.
CLICK HERE to check out our first album, Interstallar Clambake!
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beatcomber
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Posted on Nov 17 2023 08:33 AM
Correction to my last post… I just found a photo of the harness on my ’71 V-1, and the pots were 250k.
BTW, I have just ordered a set of pickups from Ed Elliott for my Kurokumo, and plan to swap the 500k pots for 250k as well.
The stock wiring harness:
Any idea what the value of this cap is? Is this .047?
— THE HYDRONAUTS…Surf Music from the shores of old Cape Cod.
CLICK HERE to check out our first album, Interstallar Clambake!
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Tqi
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Posted on Nov 17 2023 01:06 PM
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