BoneDigger
Joined: Aug 29, 2023
Posts: 37
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Posted on Sep 17 2023 05:14 PM
I own a LOT of pedals of different varieties, but I want to put together a dedicated surf pedal board. I have a Surfy Bear Metal and I have a Veritigo tremolo pedal. Aside from spring reverb and tremolo, are there any other pedals that you would say are needed for a surf pedal board? I'm not looking for brands here, just types of effects (i.e., chorus, or overdrive, etc.).
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Tqi
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Posted on Sep 17 2023 05:22 PM
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Reverbenator
Joined: Jul 26, 2015
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San Diego, Ca
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Posted on Sep 17 2023 06:16 PM
Hard to go wrong with a delay pedal or two. Miles Corbin of the Aqua Velvets used delay; it sounds especially nice in conjunction with a small to moderate amount of reverb.
If you really want to do the deep dive into Surf Music guitarists who used effects pedals (in his case, a lot of them) check out Jim Thomas of The Mermen. It should be noted that Thomas’ music is considered to be what some would consider “Psychedelic Surf”.
— -Cheers, Clark-
-Less Paul, more Reverb-
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
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Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Sep 17 2023 07:03 PM
I tend to like clean sounds, so I rarely use overdrives. I would agree with Reverbenator that some Delay can add a lot to a Surf rig. I use a Boss DM-2W and have found that some interesting drip effects can be achieved by combining reverb and delay.
I’ve experimented with Chorus and Phase Shifting, but I found that these didn’t really contribute to a good Surf sound. The original Surf players, in the early ‘60s, tended to use reverb, and a clean amp. Later on, Fuzz was used in some recordings, but it was far from ubiquitous.
My Surf pedalboard has a Boss, DM-2W, a Source Audio True Spring, and a Surfy Industries Blossom Point. That rig, and any decent clean amp, works for me.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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SandBug
Joined: Feb 22, 2016
Posts: 442
California
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Posted on Sep 17 2023 10:13 PM
Sounds like you already have a good set up. Surfybear is great.
Maybe a tremolo pedal if it's not already an onboard effect in your amp.
No need for anything else for surf.
When i want to expand my sound from surf i might use a colorful multi-headed delay, compressor, vibrato, fuzz.
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Reverbenator
Joined: Jul 26, 2015
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San Diego, Ca
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Posted on Sep 17 2023 11:11 PM
I’m racking my brain here, and if I’m not mistaken, I think that Dave Wronski (Slacktone) occasionally uses a bit of stereo chorus. I believe that he is using it on the intro of The Bells Of St. Kahuna. He may have also used a little on some of the other tracks on the “Into The Blue Sparkle” CD.
Then again, I could be wrong.
— -Cheers, Clark-
-Less Paul, more Reverb-
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
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Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Sep 17 2023 11:25 PM
Reverbenator wrote:
I’m racking my brain here, and if I’m not mistaken, I think that Dave Wronski (Slacktone) occasionally uses a bit of stereo chorus. I believe that he is using it on the intro of The Bells Of St. Kahuna. He may have also used a little on some of the other tracks on the “Into The Blue Sparkle” CD.
Then again, I could be wrong.
Sounds like there might be some Chorus, but the Depth must be set pretty low. It could be shallow vibrato, if it’s not Chorus. They are closely related effects, the only difference being that Chorus blending some dry signal into the output, while vibrato does not.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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Samurai
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
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Kiev, Ukraine
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Posted on Sep 18 2023 12:03 AM
I use booster/oberdrive, fuzz, delay, tremolo, reverb and Blossom Point at the end.
— Waikiki Makaki surf-rock band from Ukraine
https://linktr.ee/waikikimakaki
Lost Diver
https://lostdiver.bandcamp.com
https://soundcloud.com/vitaly-yakushin
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TheOutpost
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Highlands Ranch
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Posted on Sep 18 2023 08:21 AM
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edwardsand
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Posted on Sep 18 2023 08:45 AM
All depends on how old school you want to be (which has been covered) vs. whether you want to play some of the other instrumental stuff that many are into: add overdrive and vibrato for some Link Wray tunes, fuzz for spaghetti western and Davie Allan and the Arrows, delay for some rockabilly sounds.
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BoneDigger
Joined: Aug 29, 2023
Posts: 37
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Posted on Sep 18 2023 11:45 AM
Thanks everyone! I guess what I'm reading here is that nothing is set in stone. So, add what sounds good to me and run with it? Right now I am thinking I'll do the reverb, tremolo, delay, and maybe overdrive in case I ever decide I need it. I already own all of these in some form so it's just a matter of moving things around.
Is a digital delay like the TC Flashback okay or do you "need" an analog delay?
Is the Blues Driver considered okay for overdrive in this context?
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Tqi
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Posted on Sep 18 2023 11:55 AM
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Samurai
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
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Kiev, Ukraine
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Posted on Sep 18 2023 12:01 PM
BoneDigger wrote:
Thanks everyone! I guess what I'm reading here is that nothing is set in stone. So, add what sounds good to me and run with it? Right now I am thinking I'll do the reverb, tremolo, delay, and maybe overdrive in case I ever decide I need it. I already own all of these in some form so it's just a matter of moving things around.
Is a digital delay like the TC Flashback okay or do you "need" an analog delay?
Is the Blues Driver considered okay for overdrive in this context?
Blues Driver surely may give you some nice touch of overdrive, I have used it long ago
Concerning a delay: that’s true, you don’t necessarily need analog delay or tape echo, digital one may work as well for you or even better in some context. But that’s surely a matter of taste.
— Waikiki Makaki surf-rock band from Ukraine
https://linktr.ee/waikikimakaki
Lost Diver
https://lostdiver.bandcamp.com
https://soundcloud.com/vitaly-yakushin
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
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Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Sep 18 2023 05:48 PM
Tqi wrote:
BoneDigger wrote:
nothing is set in stone
Of course not. As SOMEONE likes to constantly bring up whenever someone says that a Surfy Bear is the best effect anyone can buy for surf music - there are a lot of different things that can be called Surf, with some pretty varied styles. Personally one of my favourite "surf" bands is The Good The Bad, and whether they are surf at all is probably a topic that's still contentious with some people. But on one of their tracks they're playing Princeton PS-200 solid state amps, only the "bass" has reverb and the lead (a Gibson-scale Mustang with Jaguar pickups) has a fuzz. So, I think that sets the bar.
or do you "need" an analog delay?
Of course not. I have a bugbear about digital stuff but it's just that - it's a bugbear. Most of the time (especially if you only have one digital effect in your chain) a digital pedal is superior to an analog one. And the flashback can emulate several types of analog and "analog"* delay, so no-one who doesn't look at your board will ever know.
Is the Blues Driver considered okay for overdrive in this context?
Technically (JHS has a fun video on this) it's not an overdrive at all, it's a distortion. ;)
But look -
nothing is set in stone. So, add what sounds good to me and run with it?
You already said it. If you can get a sound that you like and is good, then it's considered okay. If you don't like the sound you're getting with it then it's not considered okay. Side note, I'm using a bad monkey. Please feel free to judge me at your leisure.
* Most "Analog" delay pedals are discrete-time. This is not the same as digital, but nor is it the same as analog. Digital sampling encodes a signal in two axes - time is encoded, as a "sample Rate", and amplitude is encoded, as "bit depth". A true analog delay like a vintage tape-loop echo doesn't encode either of these things. What are called "analog" pedals these days don't encode amplitude, but they do encode time, and so have a sample rate. However, in their case sample rate is a function of delay time (which is part of why longer delay times on an "analog" pedal have more noise) - while for digital pedals it's uniform. This is my version of people getting annoyed at hearing the word "Expresso".
Great post.
I own several delays, including two Boss DM-2W pedals which, allegedly, utilize bucket brigade technology. They have a nice sound, and I am very pleased with them. I also have a Boss Digital Delay, which also sounds great. If that wasn’t enough, I have an Earthquaker Devices Dispatch Master which combines reverb and digital delay, and it sounds great. If it sounds good, it is good.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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IceratzSurf
Joined: Oct 22, 2022
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Posted on Sep 18 2023 06:39 PM
I am enjoying reading this post.
As others have said, go with what you like to sound like, no rules here.
But there are a few basics for Surf as has been said.
Reverb
Tremelo
Delay
Then add power & distortion to your liking with drive and Fuzz.
That's more modern Surf vs old school.
My best Reverb:
Surfybear
True Spring
Strymon Blue Sky
BOING!
My best Delays:
Strymon El Capistan
MXR Carbon Copy
Boss DD 200
Boss DD3
Digitech Obscura (amazing)
My best Drives / Fuzz:
MXR Timmy
Tube Screamer
Tomb Sender MKiii germanium.
My best Tremelo:
Vertigo
Pipeline
Dialing in any combination of those groups of pedals makes awesome Surf
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TallTenor
Joined: Nov 30, 2022
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Coast of the Great Lakes
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Posted on Sep 18 2023 08:03 PM
The JHS 3 series delay is fun. I gig with it regularly. Sturdy but cheap. I bet the tremolo is good too. Save the big bucks for reverb!
— Kitten and The Tonics
https://kittenandthetonics.com/
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
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Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Sep 18 2023 11:38 PM
TallTenor wrote:
The JHS 3 series delay is fun. I gig with it regularly. Sturdy but cheap. I bet the tremolo is good too. Save the big bucks for reverb!
JHS has a 3 Series Tremolo which can be switched between harmonic and what they call “standard” tremolo. I’ve heard demos and cam away impressed.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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Samurai
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
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Kiev, Ukraine
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Posted on Sep 19 2023 07:52 AM
I think I will also chime in with some pedals I have used for surf during the last 15 years. The top one in every category is that I use now.
Reverb:
Surfybear
Wampler Faux Reverb
EHX Oceans 11
Catalinbread Topanga
Zoom MS-70 cdr
Tremolo:
Surfy Industries Surfytrem
Strymon Flynt
Marshall Vibratrem
TC Electronics Pipeline
Voodoo Lab tremolo
Delay:
Crazy Tube Circuits Time
Strymon el capistan
Way Huge Aqua puss
MXR Carbon Copy
Dunlop echoplex
Booster/Overdrive:
One Control Sonic Blue Twanger
Xotic AC plus
Xotic EP booster
Fulltone OCD
Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive
Fuzz:
T68 Morricone Fuzz
Big foot FX Spaghetti Western Fuzz
Danelectro Cool Cat fuzz
Pedal that makes all of these surf:
Surfy Industries Blossom Point
— Waikiki Makaki surf-rock band from Ukraine
https://linktr.ee/waikikimakaki
Lost Diver
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https://soundcloud.com/vitaly-yakushin
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SamDBL
Joined: Sep 19, 2016
Posts: 244
Tampa
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Posted on Sep 19 2023 08:27 AM
I use pedals. I try to keep it minimal. And I try to strike a balance between traditional and modern. My amps are vintage Fenders. My guitars are Reverends. Same with my tone. I'm not going for surf clean. I'm just as inspired by Link Wray and Brian Setzer. So I'm trying for a little light od, but also with a lot of atmospheric delay and reverb.
Tha pedals are compressor, blues king and timmy od's, belle epoch deluxe, and 6G15 or Surfybear Classic, if those count. I'm about to add a parallel mixer pedal, also.
— Guitarist for Black Valley Moon & Down By Law
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Samurai
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
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Kiev, Ukraine
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Posted on Oct 19 2023 02:38 AM
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