SamDBL
Joined: Sep 19, 2016
Posts: 246
Tampa
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Posted on Aug 05 2023 02:17 PM
I'm wanting to take our records to a more lofi, garage sound, sonically. As opposed to the current hi fi, polished, modern sound we have been getting. In my mind, I'm thinking like old Link Wray. But I need more examples. And more modern, if possible. Basically trying to research the recording techniques. But I need examples to show people what I'm talking about. It's a little hard to articulate when a lot of people consider that type of sound to just be 'bad' or inept. So their answer as to how to record might be along the lines of 'who care? the less effort you put into it, the worse it'll sound. viola! garage'. But we all know there's more nuance than that. And that's what I'm trying to get across.
So anyway, hit me with what you consider to be a great, garage sounding record. Punchy, listenable, but raw and unpolished.
— Guitarist for Black Valley Moon & Down By Law
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CreepBeat
Joined: Feb 25, 2016
Posts: 242
Seattle, WA
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Posted on Aug 05 2023 02:53 PM
Anything by The Sonics
— Skins for The Delstroyers
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11077
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Aug 05 2023 03:48 PM
Just an idea. Record it to modern standards, but also record with the built in mics on an old boombox and then mix the 2 together.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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CreepBeat
Joined: Feb 25, 2016
Posts: 242
Seattle, WA
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Posted on Aug 05 2023 04:59 PM
Along a similar line, when we were making the "10,000 Ways To Die" record, we wanted there to be an odd lo-fi interlude type song part way through on the album that sounded like it came from the 1940s which became "The Evil Hypnosis of Dr. Marlowe". We recorded it normally but when mixing the record we ran it through this small speaker on this Studer tape unit which we mic'd and is what you hear on the record. To Danny's point, get creative and try some things that may be outside of the box. Personally, I'd love to know what sort of madness was involved in The Mummies recordings.
— Skins for The Delstroyers
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Squid
Joined: Aug 22, 2010
Posts: 1019
Portland, Oregon with Insanitizers
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Posted on Aug 05 2023 05:34 PM
Louie Louie by The Kingsmen, the hit recording. Sounds garagey--and you know the rest.
— Insanitizers! http://www.insanitizers.com
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Redfeather
Joined: Jul 30, 2016
Posts: 896
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Posted on Aug 05 2023 06:52 PM
Maybe you can ferret the details out of Ted regarding how Satan's Pilgrims recorded Siniestro. All I know is that it was in an old Masonic Temple and has a more raw sound than their other albums.
But then again, maybe all you need to do is go into a garage, set up a single mic, and rock out! It sounds like that's how the Wavechargers recorded this:
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simoncoil
Joined: Sep 28, 2012
Posts: 928
Berlin, Germany
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Posted on Aug 06 2023 03:30 AM
From my perspective, it seems like there are only few surf bands at the moment that embrace the lo-fi / garage aesthetic. Digital recording and the availability of equipment and information regarding mixing may have contributed to that. However, I think there is something to be said about the energy of a recording done with just a few mics placed inside a room with a band knowing that they can't really fix anything with overdubs afterwards...
Some of my favourites of second wave lo-fi surf recordings are the early albums of the Phantom Surfers and "Cecilia Ann" by the Surftones (the recording of which is fairly well documented).
— Los Apollos - cinematic surf music trio (Berlin)
"Postcards from the Scrapyard" Vol. 1, 2 & 3 NOW available on various platforms!
"Chaos at the Lobster Lounge" available as LP and download on Surf Cookie Records!
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DeathTide
Joined: Apr 13, 2018
Posts: 1379
New Orleans
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Posted on Aug 06 2023 10:35 AM
Well motherfuck me, I had about ten great videos linked and then it all disappeared. Oh well. Here are the bands:
Supercharger
The Brentwoods
Trashwomen
Manic Attracts
Dead Ghosts
The Traditional Fools
The Vulcaneers
Thee Shatners
Teengenerate
The (old 1st album) Donnas
The Rip Offs
TRMRS
Night Beats
Meth Teeth
Tunnel Of Love
— Daniel Deathtide
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Samurai
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Posts: 2291
Kiev, Ukraine
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Posted on Aug 06 2023 12:07 PM
We have some records that we were told sound like old garage stuff. That wasn’t our target, we just had some cheap gear that we could afford then, friend’s garage, I guess three mics and a couple of hours to record some 2-3 tunes. So pure garage sound))) I may search for them if you want.
— Waikiki Makaki surf-rock band from Ukraine
https://linktr.ee/waikikimakaki
Lost Diver
https://lostdiver.bandcamp.com
https://soundcloud.com/vitaly-yakushin
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Steve_Pisteve
Joined: Jan 15, 2023
Posts: 27
Budapest
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Posted on Aug 06 2023 03:00 PM
Not surf, but I have been listening to We The People recently and they have a great original garage sound (although their stuff was probably all recorded in a studio). One of their best known tracks "In the Past" features a homemade eight stringed acoustic instrument which the guitarist rigged up with a pickup. It produces a great sound, so some lo-fi instrumentation like that might be an idea. Satan's Pilgrims did a great instrumental cover of In the Past - I'd be curious to know how they got the Octaphone sound.
As for actual surf that is garage-y I would second the Trashwomen (any band with the word "trash" in the name is likely to be garagey!) The Apemen were a great and garagey band from Tilburg, Netherlands in the 1990s. Another good and lofi instro guitar band from the 1990s were The Car Thieves. In fact, come to think of it anything on the 1995 compilation Surfin Around the World probably fits the bill of Surfy and Garagey, so here it is:
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Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1506
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Aug 06 2023 04:57 PM
There are a lot of good suggestions above.
So,
Along Danny’s idea in thought.
When I was young and recording with my friends. We actually played and recorded in a garage of a 1960’s track home. Sometimes with the door open. Sometimes with it closed. We used a reel to reel tape recorder sometimes. And when it wasn’t availed we used old cheap sears cassette recorder with what ever mic’s we could get our hands on.( We weren’t that good and never really got far) A lot of other noises, other than the band were always present.
So,
maybe that’s what you could be after. Grab some cheap recording stuff from Wally World and find an old garage without insulation. Ya can’t sound LoFi with HiFi equipment.
Just my thoughts
Joel
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Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1506
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Aug 06 2023 04:58 PM
Joelman wrote:
There are a lot of good suggestions above.
So,
Along Danny’s idea in thought.
When I was young and recording with my friends. We actually played and recorded in a garage of a 1960’s track home. Sometimes with the door open. Sometimes with it closed. We used a reel to reel tape recorder sometimes. And when it wasn’t availed we used old cheap sears cassette recorder with what ever mic’s we could get our hands on.( We weren’t that good and never really got far) A lot of other noises, other than the band were always present.
So,
maybe that’s what you could be after.
Grab some cheap recording stuff from Wally World and find an old garage without insulation. Ya can’t sound LoFi with HiFi equipment.
Just my thoughts
Joel
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weird_oh84
Joined: May 24, 2023
Posts: 207
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Posted on Aug 08 2023 06:31 PM
SamDBL wrote:
I'm wanting to take our records to a more lofi, garage sound, sonically. As opposed to the current hi fi, polished, modern sound we have been getting. In my mind, I'm thinking like old Link Wray. But I need more examples. And more modern, if possible. Basically trying to research the recording techniques. But I need examples to show people what I'm talking about. It's a little hard to articulate when a lot of people consider that type of sound to just be 'bad' or inept. So their answer as to how to record might be along the lines of 'who care? the less effort you put into it, the worse it'll sound. viola! garage'. But we all know there's more nuance than that. And that's what I'm trying to get across.
So anyway, hit me with what you consider to be a great, garage sounding record. Punchy, listenable, but raw and unpolished.
Not sure if you’ve seen this video , but it’s got lots of great info
https://youtu.be/siLgnnODUkg
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chiba
Joined: Sep 02, 2022
Posts: 538
Central VA
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Posted on Aug 09 2023 08:39 AM
Try recording the drums with the 3-mic method; it will definitely give you a more garage feel/sound that using a mic on every drum plus a pair of overheads.
This is the method I like to use: https://jonstinson.com/the-glynn-johns-three-mic-drum-recording-setup/
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11077
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Aug 09 2023 08:44 AM
I'd say for the ultimate in lo-fi recording, check out The Mummies recordings from the 90s.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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revmike
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 3859
North Atlantic
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Posted on Aug 09 2023 09:15 AM
I think these bands really speak to what I would call garage sounding.
Jackie and the Cedrics, the Neatbeats, Eddie Angel’s Guitar Party and the Kaisers
Rev
— Canadian Surf
http://www.urbansurfkings.com/
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revmike
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 3859
North Atlantic
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Posted on Aug 09 2023 09:25 AM
This one was recorded several years ago in my basement. From what I remember, the drums were recorded with one SM57 about 3 feet from the front of the kit. We planned on recording with more mics on the drum, but they weren’t available so we went with one. The main guitar was probably miked with an 57 as well, and I believe the bass was direct.
I think we improvised a mic stand for the drum using a folding metal music stand bottom and a broccoli elastic.
Rev
— Canadian Surf
http://www.urbansurfkings.com/
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Samurai
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Posts: 2291
Kiev, Ukraine
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Posted on Aug 09 2023 09:36 AM
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Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1506
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Aug 09 2023 02:51 PM
Ok it’s not surf.
I’m gonna throw this one in. It truly is an old lofi garage or in this case, ‘barn’ type recording.
Let’s just say I know the band. All but two were my first cousins.
Joel
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DoTheDevil
Joined: Jul 27, 2023
Posts: 14
Albuquerque
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Posted on Aug 09 2023 11:34 PM
The Tiki Men are one of my favorites for this.
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