So, I'm editing this sucker right now and since you all are probably the only ones semi-interested, I thought I'd ask for your creative input.
I have two and three camera footage from the Portland and Memphis shows this past March and they both have their pros and cons.

Portland pros=great crowd, dancing, excitement, lots of footage of Ran being cool in the front row.

Portland cons=sound. I'm working on mastering it, but its the old PA quandary of what's loudest ontage (Showmans) is quieter through the PA. There's a little distortion from the bass rattling the camera mic here and there as well. It gets better about 1/2 way through, but mostly, just passable.

Memphis pros=sound! Even though we were playing on borrowed equipment, and didn't have the Showmans, the mic situation is better and we're not going through a dumb PA (yay). Also, the crowd of about 100 folks or so is standing way back, not sure what to make of us, so our cameraperson, Beth, was able to really work it, giving it more of a music video feel. (Close-ups on hands, etc.)

Memphis cons= Not really anything except that we were playing first at 8 pm to an audience that had never heard us before, or were content just to stand and watch. None of the dancing, hooting and hollering from Portland. Also a more reserved, shorter set from us.

There are a lot of duplicate songs between the 2 shows (since it was our once a year thing), so I was thinking that I didn't want it to get repetitive. Originally, I was going to use the entire Portland show and have a few Memphis songs as bonus features. That would be OPTION #1.
OPTION #2
Pick the "best' version of each song and mix up the songs from both performances.
OPTION #3
Put it all on (if it can fit, or even double disc(?!?!) and let you all get bored and skip around.

Any other ideas? As always, your input is appreciated, and I hope you enjoy the final version, however it turns out.
Ted Pilgrim

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You guys are a Portland band. That is something that defines you. The Portland show really should be on. The Showmans also define that Pilgrim sound. I can live with so so sound from the PA.

Ted, I agree with Jake - after all, you want to get across the live experience with the dvd, and the enthusiastic audience and stage looks with showmands are part of that. I'd sooner want to watch that than a visual lesser show with better sound.

two thoughts, perhaps there's a way to mix imigary from one show with sound of the other? it would get more into video clip territory probably, and I wouldn't choose it, but it is possible. (talking heads' stop making snese was done like that, but it was so well executed that it's hardly noticable.)

also, do you (have someone to) master the sound of the portland show - it might improve dramatically?

okay, regardless, I want one.

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Ted, on the quality of the Portland show, may I remind you that you, because you are in the band, are not the best judge of the quality of the Portland show. I pretty much can find fault in every aspect of the 'Verb live recordings. Not enough of this, not enough of that, blah blah blah.

WR
two thoughts, perhaps there's a way to mix imigary from one show with sound of the other? it would get more into video clip territory probably, and I wouldn't choose it, but it is possible. (talking heads' stop making snese was done like that, but it was so well executed that it's hardly noticable.)

WR, I could do that, but the lighting, backdrop, equipment are all different. I bet some people would be fooled, but not you guys. As far as dropping the sound of Memphis onto Portland, it wouldn't match-we play different speeds and do different fills, solos, etc. . I guess I could do the 60s tv appearance "lip synch" style, where nothing matches at all.
Also, the Memphis set was somewhat shorter.

also, do you (have someone to) master the sound of the portland show - it might improve dramatically?

I have a couple different friends on it, using different programs, so we'll see who does the best job of it.
Thanks for your suggestions!

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WR that reminds me. Do you use PAL in the Netherlands? I have the abilty to make a PAL version if necessary.

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I of course would love to see any and all footage.

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dp
you could always use the higher quality audio as the soundtrack, and edit-up a cool dance action sequence on top of the nice sound...

Are you volunteering for the dance action sequence dp? Dancers! I need dancers! Dancers on the set!:D

in other words, a decent music video isn't always focused on the band...

you could collage the atmosphere on top of the good sound...and cut in the boring stand around shots almost at will...

in other words, use video from both shows, while utilizing only your higher quality audio track...

try a simple one song editing session, and see if this idea might work for you...

-dp

Thanks dp. Yeah, I hear you, I think that was one of the options, or at least I was mulling something similar over in my head. That's why I wanted to do a poll of sorts. This site (thanks again Brian) gives us the luxury of finding out what the most discerning of the audience out there would like to see/hear. So really the question boils down to live show document or music video?

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Ted,
Unless cost is not an issue, and you want to go for a 2 disc set then throw it al lon there, plus any old footage , like the stuff that was on the best of cds, and I'm sure you have waaaay more old footage too. But if 2 costs too much I say Put all of Portland, on it and then squeeze as much of Memphis on that you can for the good sound.
That's the problem with video camers usually they don't have great Mics. A friend that records shows to Mini Disc with a limiter box, and nice Mics, used to mix the sound from that, with a 2 video camera shoot for Non surf bands shows. They would use the crappy audio on the video to sync up the sound, but dub the music from the Mini disc onto the maser copy, after the editing down from the 2 tapes.
Too bad it wasn't prefessionally audio recorded.
PA 's are usually way to loud for Camera Mics, and they distort, or if digital, Clip.
so I say all of Portland, as much of Memphis as possible.
Can't wait.

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