xDelstar
Joined: Apr 16, 2011
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Des Moines, IA.
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Posted on May 08 2023 04:36 PM
According to Weber's description, the Ceramic California "provides more punch and headroom". Isn't that exactly what we want for palm muting, and clean volume? On the other hand, the Alnico is what the original JBLs were. I have a SFTR. I bought a used Alnico Californa, and before I search for the 2nd one, it would be great to know that I made the best choice.I'm sure they both sound better than my Utahs, but the ceramics are almost twice the cost.
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chiba
Joined: Sep 02, 2022
Posts: 514
Central VA
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Posted on May 09 2023 09:06 AM
A lot of it (IMO) comes down to personal taste. I find ceramic speakers a little harsh - but that's exactly where the "punch" is. Is it possible to wire up the one speaker you got and try it out before you buy another one? That way you can decide if you dig it and go from there.
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xDelstar
Joined: Apr 16, 2011
Posts: 54
Des Moines, IA.
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Posted on May 09 2023 11:21 AM
I already know that it will sound better than than the Utahs. Without doing a side by side with the ceramic and Alnico, I can't know what I'm gaining or losing. I was hoping for an opinion on experiences with these two speakers. You are correct, it's all about personal choice. Someone else's ears can hear a different sound entirely.
— I can't play this thing! It's got no whammy bar!
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Tele295
Joined: Feb 16, 2012
Posts: 153
Rincon Beach, California, USA
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Posted on May 09 2023 11:46 AM
You could wire up one of each
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DeathTide
Joined: Apr 13, 2018
Posts: 1375
New Orleans
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Posted on May 09 2023 02:33 PM
I've got several sets of vintage Jensen 12 inch speakers. Including a set of alnico P12Ns, and a set of ceramic C12Ns. I have A/B-ed each pair with two nearly-identical 212 cabs with the exact same guitar and set up. They both sound very good, but I prefer the ceramics for reverb. More drip and depth, slightly more bold. For the clean tone I think perhaps the alnicos sound a little more clear.
I say put one of each in your cab.
— Daniel Deathtide
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IceratzSurf
Joined: Oct 22, 2022
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Posted on May 10 2023 11:00 AM
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SixStringSurfer
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
Posts: 1401
Memphis, TN
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Posted on May 10 2023 01:22 PM
I am not sure if this will help, but I have a "15 high powered Weber California in my cab. It is the special order 175 watt version. I absolutely love it, especially now that it has been broken in.
I got the kind with the aluminum dust cap on it, so I can hear the click of the pick. It can really take a beating, as I use it with my brownface Showman cranked to about 8.5 or so.
— MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale. New Singles "Finish Line" and "Paradiso" on Bandcamp and website.
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dannylectro
Joined: Aug 18, 2008
Posts: 368
Orange, CA
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Posted on May 16 2023 03:10 AM
I recommend the alnico version. I had the ceramic California and it is a bit harsh and sterile.
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taijiguy
Joined: Mar 27, 2006
Posts: 210
Newington, CT USA
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Posted on May 16 2023 06:06 AM
I've owned 3 Weber speakers. I have a California ceramic 10" with aluminum dome in my PRRI and the same speaker with paper dome sitting in the box that it came in. I've switched back and forth a few times, but finally settled on the aluminum dome. It took some time to break in, but it sounds great now. I had a 12" Neomag in a DRRI and that was a fantastic sounding amp. Should never have sold it. If a Neomag was available in 10", that's what would be in my PRRI now.
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taijiguy
Joined: Mar 27, 2006
Posts: 210
Newington, CT USA
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Posted on May 16 2023 06:07 AM
taijiguy wrote:
I've owned 3 Weber speakers. I have a California ceramic 10" with aluminum dome in my PRRI and the same speaker with paper dome sitting in the box that it came in. I've switched back and forth a few times, but finally settled on the aluminum dome. It took some time to break in, but it sounds great now. I had a 12" Neomag in a DRRI and that was a fantastic sounding amp. Should never have sold it. If a Neomag was available in 10", that's what would be in my PRRI now.
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fenderfan
Joined: Jul 13, 2008
Posts: 780
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Posted on May 16 2023 10:26 AM
I've had a Weber California ceramic 15" in my amp, for countless gigs over the past several years, and it has been a beauty, powered either by a Showman head, or a Quilter Mach 2, on the "Surf" setting.
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SixStringSurfer
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
Posts: 1401
Memphis, TN
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Posted on May 18 2023 12:41 PM
dannylectro wrote:
I recommend the alnico version. I had the ceramic California and it is a bit harsh and sterile.
I respectfully disagree, ceramic (aluminum dust cap) sounds amazing once broken in. If I had the alnico version, I would blow it within the first week. I once blew a 12" Eminence Swamp Thang, smoke was coming out of the cabinet. To each their own though. 
— MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale. New Singles "Finish Line" and "Paradiso" on Bandcamp and website.
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taijiguy
Joined: Mar 27, 2006
Posts: 210
Newington, CT USA
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Posted on May 18 2023 03:01 PM
SixStringSurfer wrote:
dannylectro wrote:
I recommend the alnico version. I had the ceramic California and it is a bit harsh and sterile.
I respectfully disagree, ceramic (aluminum dust cap) sounds amazing once broken in. If I had the alnico version, I would blow it within the first week. I once blew a 12" Eminence Swamp Thang, smoke was coming out of the cabinet. To each their own though.
The ceramic does require a long break-in time, but I've heard that you can request Weber to break them in for you.
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Boulder_Bob
Joined: Mar 29, 2006
Posts: 132
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Posted on May 27 2023 04:12 PM
"You can also use a variac (variable output transformer) to break them in. The variac puts out a 60 cycle hum that moves the speaker parts similar to a bass guitar in the low E and A strings. The bass frequencies move the speaker more than the treble frequencies, so they're preferable to break in from my tests.Feb 8, 2016
Speaker Break In & How to DIY - Metropoulos Forum
Metropoulos Amplification"
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BenPerkins
Joined: Oct 19, 2011
Posts: 144
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Posted on Jun 18 2023 09:18 PM
Question… would the 12” Weber California ceramic with paper cap give a nice drip in a closed back cab? Or is the aluminum cap definitely the way to go?
I do use a Tone Bender every now and then, so I hope it wouldn’t sound too shrill with the aluminum cap.
— I want to hear Caravan with a drum solo.
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DeathTide
Joined: Apr 13, 2018
Posts: 1375
New Orleans
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Posted on Jun 19 2023 08:56 AM
Are used to think the aluminum dust cap meant better drips, but all Jensen speakers drip better than JBLs and they have a little paper dust cap. I also think the alcino sounds more spiky than ceramic. I had a JBL 15" speaker reconed with a cloth dust cap, and it sounded muddy and terrible. Good for bass I guess.
— Daniel Deathtide
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BenPerkins
Joined: Oct 19, 2011
Posts: 144
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Posted on Jun 19 2023 09:27 AM
DeathTide wrote:
all Jensen speakers drip better than JBLs and they have a little paper dust cap.
Which model of Jensen do you recommend? Budget is $150 - I have an empty 12” closed back cab. Thanks for any info
— I want to hear Caravan with a drum solo.
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LosVenturas
Joined: Feb 10, 2011
Posts: 443
Antwerp, Belgium
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Posted on Jun 20 2023 04:10 AM
If you are talking about 12s you could also consider evm 12s.
Plenty of power and headroom, not coloring your sound.
Cheers, Andy
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SixStringSurfer
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
Posts: 1401
Memphis, TN
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Posted on Jun 23 2023 04:39 PM
I just bought the 15" speaker that Surfer Joe says is phenomenal, so I may have a well broken in (but in excellent condition) ceramic Weber California up for sale soon.
— MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale. New Singles "Finish Line" and "Paradiso" on Bandcamp and website.
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BenPerkins
Joined: Oct 19, 2011
Posts: 144
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Posted on Jun 24 2023 11:06 AM
Just received a Weber California ceramic 12” with paper cap. Prob going to swap into a closed back cab tonight. Looking forward to testing!
— I want to hear Caravan with a drum solo.
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