racingsnail84
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Posted on Mar 02 2023 05:28 PM
Were teenagers able to afford the Jaguar or Jazzmaster in the early 60’s?
The price for a Jag was 379.50 in 1962 which in todays money is roughly 3700 bucks…!
Were Fender guitars not as ubiquitous as it seems in surf groups at the time or did it just happen that people had more extra spending cash than we do today?

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Tqi
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Posted on Mar 02 2023 05:47 PM
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Posted on Mar 02 2023 05:59 PM
I think this is why you have all those 60's photos of kids posing with their gear. It was hard won!
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Posted on Mar 02 2023 06:02 PM
In the early 70's, I took on a second job, mopping floors in a store, twice a week, for $25.00 a week in order to buy my Fender Precision Bass, which cost me between $300 and $400 dollars (it's been so long I don't remember the precise amount. And Tqi, you are right, after that I had my amp to buy as well. I guess I mopped a lot of floors!
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da-ron
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Posted on Mar 03 2023 01:56 AM
Because they didn't buy them. Not outright, anyway.
Back in those days there was the marvel of hire purchase (is it called an instalment plan in the US?), where you paid a deposit, took it home and paid it off over the year. As long as Dad signed for it and your gigs paid for it, it was a great arrangement.
These days we have credit cards for those purchases you can't afford (more correctly they should be called 'debt cards' but I guess they wouldn't be so popular), but in the 60s it was hire purchase. "Take it home today, pay for it tomorrow!' was a popular hook
In the UK it was nicknamed the 'never never', either because you never owned it and you never finished paying for it
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Posted on Mar 03 2023 08:30 AM
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edwardsand
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Posted on Mar 03 2023 08:32 AM
Also, most teenagers never could buy one. In so many photos of teens with their early bands, they have cheaper guitars like Harmonys or imported guitars bought at department stores. The Jaguar was definitely not a starter guitar. If they started playing regular gigs and making money, they could get one then, and probably through the installment plan.
Or if they were lucky, they had rich family members.
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Posted on Mar 03 2023 08:24 PM
Don't forget that most kids in bands at the time using an actual Fender usually had rich parents who'd buy it for them.
Or they bought them on loan and paid for it in terms when they had jobs. Or they simply saved for them and used a cheaper instrument, which most of them did anyway.
In Europe the kids couldn't generally afford a Fender, no matter which model. Given they were expensive as heck and add import duties, shipping costs and the extra kick the prices get when US things are being sold in Europe.
Have to say though that only a few years later the price of a Jag went down considerably because nobody wanted to buy it. Hard to believe, but Fender Jaguars weren't all that popular back then. They only got back into popularity because in the mid 70's in Europe kids in punk bands started to buy them again because they were so cheap.
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Posted on Mar 04 2023 03:50 AM
If I'm not mistaken (not an expert) this was still the era of Keynesian demand side economics.
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Posted on Mar 06 2023 10:10 PM
I got my first electric guitar at a swap meet. I bagged groceries to get it.
My friend had a Stratocaster.
I was very jealous.
He had a car paper route and earned his money.
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Posted on Mar 07 2023 06:31 PM
Edwardsand is on it. I’ve sat in and chatted with many first wave surf bands from the early 60’s and they all reminisce about their first cheap guitar and the all the band plugging into the same amp!
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synchro
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Posted on Mar 08 2023 12:22 AM
Having lived the era, the answer is simple; most players never got a Jaguar. I would have been thrilled to get a Mustang, when I started playing, in ‘66. The ‘60s were a prosperous time, by some measures. Almost anyone who worked full time could afford a house, at least in most places, but the wealth we take for granted, these days, was out of reach for many working class people.
It’s not a simple thing to try to equate the economy of that time to the economy of the present. My parents were fortunate to purchase a very nice home in a Denver suburb, in 1969. It was the crowning achievement of their lives. I could cover a check for what that house cost. It’s not that I’m rich, but the economy has expanded that much, since the ‘60s.
In the mid ‘60s, color TVs were far from ubiquitous, in middle class homes. Most people bought used cars that were, at best, way down the depreciation curve. Our family was solidly middle class, but luxuries didn’t really show up until my father was in his ‘50s. Both of my parents worked, and I was fortunate to have a Harmony Rocket and a Silvertone amp.
At the time, I wanted a Gretsch Tennessean, or a Jaguar, but it would have taken one heck of a windfall before my parents could have afforded something like that, and such a windfall would have been better directed towards actual needs, like car payments, or home improvements. To the best of my knowledge, my parents had no savings, or if they did, it was probably on the order of $100.
The kids that had Fenders, probably had parents in the medical field. I imagine that finance plans may have helped some into owning Fender gear, but easy credit wasn’t as easy then, as it is now. The gear seen on the album covers of young artists was probably paid for with record advances.
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Posted on Mar 08 2023 06:52 AM
I never saw a jaguar or jazzmaster in the 60s, at college in the early 70s. One mustang in that time. Most kids bought used. Strats were uncommon then too, at least where I was.
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Posted on Mar 08 2023 07:40 AM
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Posted on Mar 08 2023 07:54 AM
mad_dog wrote:
I never saw a jaguar or jazzmaster in the 60s, at college in the early 70s. One mustang in that time. Most kids bought used. Strats were uncommon then too, at least where I was.
There was a band, in our town, that played a local TV show over the noon hour, and the lead player had a Jaguar. Beyond that, the Jaguar was mostly a guitar I saw in the Fender brochure. There were Strats around, and Teles were something I would associate with older guys, at least locally.
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Jojobaplant
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Posted on Mar 08 2023 07:57 AM
mad_dog wrote:
I never saw a jaguar or jazzmaster in the 60s, at college in the early 70s. One mustang in that time. Most kids bought used. Strats were uncommon then too, at least where I was.
That's because hardly anyone was playing on Jazzmasters and not at all on Jaguars in the period 1966 - 1977. You could get them for a song in that period and they started coming into the general love area again from 1978 onwards when members of punk bands started to buy them because they were so cheap. Somewhere in that period Fender considered the Jag a failed model and actually was thinking of discontinuing the model whole as it didn't sell. Not 100% sure, but I think they even halted production for a bit and then started it up in the late 70's, early 80's again when the model started picking up interest again.
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Posted on Mar 08 2023 08:28 AM
Jaguars, and Jazzmasters, to the best of my knowledge, were out of production for some time. Bridge problems were well known among Offsets, even back in the ‘60s, and the fixes and setup tips that we enjoy these days were not nearly as well-known back then, as they are in our Information Age. Back in the ‘60s, many people took their guitars back to the store for something as simple as a string change or replacement. There weren’t any Internet forums where information was shared. Beyond that we now have products such as high-end bridges, nylon bushings for the bridge posts, and the myriad of guitar products which didn’t exist in the ‘60s, but which make life better for all guitarists, these days.
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Posted on Mar 08 2023 08:53 AM
Sales of Jaguars were pretty low all along, but quite poor in the 1970s, and they stopped making them in 1975. Fender Japan restarted production ca. 1985. Even though some punk and other contemporary bands were using them in the late 70s and early 80s, the used ones stayed cheap back then. I bought mine in 1985 for $300 with money earned from my summer job working at a tile store. Then when Nirvana broke big in the 90s, Jaguars truly became popular and prices of used ones skyrocketed.
And now you can get a Squier Jaguar for close to the original price of a Fender Jaguar, and that is not adjusted for inflation.
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synchro
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Posted on Mar 08 2023 09:04 AM
edwardsand wrote:
Sales of Jaguars were pretty low all along, but quite poor in the 1970s, and they stopped making them in 1975. Fender Japan restarted production ca. 1985. Even though some punk and other contemporary bands were using them in the late 70s and early 80s, the used ones stayed cheap back then. I bought mine in 1985 for $300 with money earned from my summer job working at a tile store. Then when Nirvana broke big in the 90s, Jaguars truly became popular and prices of used ones skyrocketed.
And now you can get a Squier Jaguar for close to the original price of a Fender Jaguar, and that is not adjusted for inflation.
That is consistent with what I remember. Jaguars were what I refer to as an “aspirational guitar”. For a parallel example, a Gretsch Country Gentleman was an aspirational guitar that we might see on the cover of a Chet Atkins album, but most buyers couldn’t afford. Instead, Gretsch sold Tennesseans to people whose attention was attracted by seeing a Country Gent.
Casting my mind back to my earliest days as a player, I went to the music store in hopes of seeing a Jaguar, but it was much more likely that I’d see a Mustang. When it came to buying, the Jaguar was out of reach, but the Mustang was, at least, feasible. Simply put, aspirations for a Jaguar probably sold a lot of Mustangs.
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Posted on Mar 08 2023 11:00 AM
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