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I was really hoping they'd do this guitar with a 9.5" radius, as I've never been comfortable playing anything with a 7.25" radius. Being able to get a matching headstock Lake Placid Blue Jazzmaster would have been awesome!! (if a bit expensive)

Anybody looking at getting one of these?

https://www.fender.com/en-US/electric-guitars/jazzmaster/american-vintage-ii-1966-jazzmaster/0110340854.html

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Yeah, expensive. The witch-hat knobs and blocks are a nice touch.
But don't be sad, look for a Thin-Skin '62 RI, even 2nd hand. They're awesome, if you can find one, grab it.

Last edited: Oct 11, 2022 14:47:16

Hey at least the blocks are correct, for the first time. I'm personally offended that there are no jaguars! I'd get those in an instant but one good JM is enough for me.

Daniel Deathtide

Last edited: Oct 11, 2022 16:18:04

I personally prefer the "Vintage" type features, including the 7.25" radius.

What?!! No Foam Green? No Ice Blue Metallic? No Olympic White? No Sonic Blue for crying out loud? If they wanted to do a $2300 66 JM, then they should offer the colors that were available in 1966 in my opinion. A Firemist Silver or Charcoal Frost would be super cool. I believe Ocean Turquoise Metallic was offered in 66 too, sounds pretty surfy to me. At least LPB is offered. A minor complaint in the big scheme of things I suppose, but if you're paying almost $2500 for one...

Like the matching headstock. That's a win. The blocks do look better too. But the name? American Vintage II??? That's horrible, the marketing guys must have been heavily sedated when they came up with that. If they just have to use the American moniker, American Authentic, American Classic, American something. But don't make it a II. Historically, II's of anything haven't done well for Fender.

And one last critique, since I am on the subject... What's up with those pickguards? I understand that the materials used to make the Tortoise Shell guards of the late 50's and 60's aren't available any longer. But surely they could come up with a better tortoise shell that mimics what they looked like in 66. They actually put the correct for 66 -white- guard on them instead of the faux mint green, so props there to the researchers.

All that being said, I'd be proud to own one if they sound good. I would be much more inclined to try one if they were $1800 and came in Sonic Blue or IBM. At least they're making some offsets for us. I'm sure the sales figures are much much lower compared to Strats and Teles.

ME

Last edited: Oct 11, 2022 21:08:40

chiba wrote:

I was really hoping they'd do this guitar with a 9.5" radius, as I've never been comfortable playing anything with a 7.25" radius. Being able to get a matching headstock Lake Placid Blue Jazzmaster would have been awesome!! (if a bit expensive)

Anybody looking at getting one of these?

https://www.fender.com/en-US/electric-guitars/jazzmaster/american-vintage-ii-1966-jazzmaster/0110340854.html

I just remembered that Fender did a Wildwood JM that has a 9.5" radius neck, if that is the deciding factor for you. You MIGHT get MJT or another outfit to match the headstock and apply a fresh waterslide if you found a color you liked. Other than that, it's a PartsMaster or a 6K custom shop rig.

Sorry if you already knew about the wildwood, or had mentioned elsewhere.

ME

chiba wrote:

I was really hoping they'd do this guitar with a 9.5" radius, as I've never been comfortable playing anything with a 7.25" radius. Being able to get a matching headstock Lake Placid Blue Jazzmaster would have been awesome!! (if a bit expensive)

Anybody looking at getting one of these?

https://www.fender.com/en-US/electric-guitars/jazzmaster/american-vintage-ii-1966-jazzmaster/0110340854.html

I’ve got Thin Skin 62 Jazzmaster and the only thing I would change is 9,5 radius, I love 7,25. So looks good for me, besides price.

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Ariel wrote:

Yeah, expensive. The witch-hat knobs and blocks are a nice touch.
But don't be sad, look for a Thin-Skin '62 RI, even 2nd hand. They're awesome, if you can find one, grab it.

I’ve got one) not sure will be selling it but who knows.

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https://soundcloud.com/vitaly-yakushin

Last edited: Oct 12, 2022 05:32:53

A 9.5" neck radius is not "vintage" on what is meant be a Vintage Fender guitar or bass.

That is why many players who prefer at least "close to real vintage" didn't buy the previous American Vintage guitars or basses, because they weren't.

Fender dropped the ball on those and it showed up in the poor sales.

Jack Booth
(aka WoodyJ)

The Mariners (1964-68, 1996-2005)
The Hula Hounds (1996-current)
The X-Rays (1997-2004)
The Surge! (2004, 2011-2012)
Various non-surf bands that actually made money
(1978-1990)

Last edited: Oct 12, 2022 09:55:31

I prefer the 7.25" radius since that's what I've been most used to playing, but 9.5" is fine as well. I've got plenty of guitars these days having different radii, and it really doesn't make much difference - I'm more bothered by fat necks that are uncomfortable to grasp or by big frets,

At any rate, if you are paying so much for a guitar, I agree you'd want the specs to match your tastes.

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Last edited: Feb 02, 2024 15:37:47

Tqi wrote:

I'm gonna make myself unpopular here - I would really like three basic models of a guitar type.

Why, this is a very reasonable idea. Certainly better than the current conglomerate of models, specs and weird names Fender is offering. It's nuts, just from the Jazzmaster page you get:
American Vintage II; American Professional II; American Ultra; Vintera '60s; Vintera '60s Modified; Player; American Performer; American Original '60s ... what?

I've had my Thin-Skin AVRI Jazzmaster 9.5" radius for a few years before I got an AVRI Jaguar with 7.25 radius, and contrary to my expectations, I have no problem at all switching between them with no mental adjustment required. I actually like the exaggerated difference.
It's those 12" necks Argh I can't even get close to. So flat, disgusting... what is it, a synthesizer? (we all need to hate on something).

Last edited: Oct 12, 2022 13:13:55

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Tqi wrote:

I'm gonna make myself unpopular here - I would really like three basic models of a guitar type. Jazzmaster's a good example -

I agree with Ariel - this is a very reasonable proposal, and much better than the Fender deluge of models with slight to major variations from the original.

The total vintage models of course could leave room for the variability seen in the original production models, including blocks on the fretboard.

The past is the past edition can then incorporate all the stuff Fender thinks "modern" players want, like big ass frets and humbuckers. But my feeling is that once you take it to the extreme, a Jazzmaster or Jaguar with humbuckers and a hardtail and all the other tweaks hardly counts as a Jazzmaster or Jaguar other than sharing the body shape.

I do have to say I'm impressed with the American Pro II JM, especially that it's available with a maple fingerboard. I don't mind the modern paint/formulation, so that might be where I look rather than an American Original.

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Tqi wrote:

The trainspotter edition should be the full deal - klusons, heel truss, vintage replica handwound pickups, hardware and electronics as close as possible to the exact original. Orignal wood, radius, finishes, the works.

That's what I would want. But on the other hand, if its going to cost 5-7K as a custom shop, I'd rather just take that same money maybe add a little to it and go for a legit 60's instrument.

Personally, I have no interest whatsoever in "Modern" features. I want the guitar as it was originally designed in most cases, except for maybe a bridge replacement. But things like that should be the choice of the end user, and their responsibility to replace.

Your system sounds reasonable.

Tqi wrote:

I'm gonna make myself unpopular here - I would really like three basic models of a guitar type. Jazzmaster's a good example -

  • All vintage trainspotter edition.

  • All modern the past is the past edition.

  • Classic, but "fixed".

The trainspotter edition should be the full deal - klusons, heel truss, vintage replica handwound pickups, hardware and electronics as close as possible to the exact original. Orignal wood, radius, finishes, the works.

The pitp version should have things like switching changes - the Johnny Marr jaguar is a good example, things like humbuckers or lace pickups or whatevever the hell the things in the AMPro JM are supposed to be.

And the classic but version should be just that - classic, but with the obvious things fixed. So, solid vintage design/sound (but not necessarily perfect replica) pickups, traditional switching with more modern components where appropriate (Steel frets for one, locking tuners might also be a solid choice), modern radius, good but not necessarily original woods -

The classic vibe Squier Jaguars are pretty close to this in that they don't bother with alder and rosewood or require 7.25" but keep original controls and more-or-less-vintage sounding Alnico V pickups - except the final fit and finish isn't up to par and the ideal for me would give the tremolo a staytrem and lock as standard. With a strat I'd want 50's sounding Alnico III pickups but a 5-way switch and a 2-point trem.

So this Vintage II should be as close to 1959 specs as possible in my book. Mostly I'm just disappointed there's no Jaguar.

I think this is a great idea, something similar was before with American Vintage, American Standard in between and modern American Deluxe. Now it’s all messed up.

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chiba wrote:

I do have to say I'm impressed with the American Pro II JM, especially that it's available with a maple fingerboard. I don't mind the modern paint/formulation, so that might be where I look rather than an American Original.

I also believe that choosing a real guitar also makes difference. A couple of month ago I drove to a big guitar store to buy American Original strat, but walked away with American Pro II, that turned out to sound and feel better.

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Lost Diver

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Last edited: Oct 13, 2022 10:48:26

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Last edited: Feb 02, 2024 15:37:35

Tqi wrote:

Samurai wrote:

I also believe that choosing a real guitar also makes difference. A couple of month ago I drove to a big guitar store

In the words of Manny the headless Man-Horse:

Were it so easy.

Not so easy but it usually works for me) Almost all the guitars I got after playing them in shop or at buyer’s are still with me. Almost all the guitars that I bought on ebay, thomann, reverb or whatever were sold then.

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Lost Diver

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Word is the AVII jags are coming next year because this year they had those ugly 60th anniversary jags. I am super excited for next year!

Daniel Deathtide

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