Unique Ventures instrumentation.

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Posted on Aug 14 2007 02:52 PM

Lead = Fender Telecaster
Rhythm = Gibson Les Paul (SG)
Bass = Hofner (Gibson?) Viol Bass

Couldn't tell what the drum kit was, and I believe it was a Mellotron used for the "orchestral instruments."

The song = Hawaii 5-0 and dated 1964 by the poster.

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Posted on Aug 14 2007 03:51 PM

This has been posted before. More like 1969.

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Posted on Aug 14 2007 04:35 PM

Yeah, post-Mosrite era. One Pops In Japan has the same instrumentation - plus e-sitar.

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Posted on Aug 14 2007 04:40 PM

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Yeah, post-Mosrite era. One Pops In Japan has the same instrumentation - plus e-sitar.

KK

Hey, I have Pops in Japan. kinda like it actually....

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Posted on Sep 19 2007 02:23 PM

Surely an unusual instrumentation for the boys! First time I've seen the vid, but I did find an old pic online with that equipment. I always thought Gerry was strictly a Strat man. Also, I always wondered why Mel or Leon never used a kettle drum when playing Hawaii Five-O live. It would be hard for John Durhill to replicate Mort Stevens orchestra with that keyboard he has, I don't think its a mellotron. I believe the only other time Mort Stevens collaborated with The Ventures for a H5-O sound was on the song Storefront Lawyers. The tv show certainly didn't last very long!

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Posted on Sep 19 2007 02:30 PM

I think its a Vox(?). Obviously, they are not really playing and who knows who and what was really played. I think I remember (this may rumor and I haven't been able to play them side by side) Don Wilson saying that when Secret Agent Man hit for Johnny Rivers, Nokie ran in and played the instrumental lead over the actual rhythm tracks laid down by the studio guys on Johnny's hit version with his vocals taken out(?). This was possible because they were both on Liberty? Again, I just remember hearing this story, but with a song like Hawaii 5-0, I bet "The Ventures" meant one, or maybe two guitars and a whole lot of studio cats. Did Mel Taylor even play on it?

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Posted on Sep 19 2007 06:23 PM

spskins
I think its a Vox(?). Obviously, they are not really playing and who knows who and what was really played. I think I remember (this may rumor and I haven't been able to play them side by side) Don Wilson saying that when Secret Agent Man hit for Johnny Rivers, Nokie ran in and played the instrumental lead over the actual rhythm tracks laid down by the studio guys on Johnny's hit version with his vocals taken out(?). This was possible because they were both on Liberty? Again, I just remember hearing this story, but with a song like Hawaii 5-0, I bet "The Ventures" meant one, or maybe two guitars and a whole lot of studio cats. Did Mel Taylor even play on it?

I don't have anything to back this up but I seriously doubt that Mel played on H5-0. It doesn't resemble his normal style or sound

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Posted on Sep 21 2007 11:52 PM

According to the notes with Fred Sokolow's transcription in "Classic Rock Instrumentals", lead guitarist was session man Jerry McGee, and there were 28 musicians in addition to the Ventures on the track.

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Posted on Sep 22 2007 07:53 AM

The Hawaii Five-O album would have been Gerry McGee's 2nd one with The Ventures, when he replaced Nokie Edwards for the first time. Some of the songs on it surely sound like session men were used. A lot of the 28 musicians were probably from Mort Stevens orchestra. For anyone who hasn't heard it, try to give a listen to The Ventures cut Storefront Lawyers, for the same orchestra, (and feel?) as H5-0. It would be interesting to find out if Mel actually played on the title track. Some of the fills sound like his, but I'm no drum expert.

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Surfabilly Joined: Apr 21, 2006 Posts: 852 Connersville, Indiana, USA	Posted on Aug 14 2007 02:52 PM Lead = Fender Telecaster Rhythm = Gibson Les Paul (SG) Bass = Hofner (Gibson?) Viol Bass Couldn't tell what the drum kit was, and I believe it was a Mellotron used for the "orchestral instruments." The song = Hawaii 5-0 and dated 1964 by the poster. Matt — Fast Cars & Loud Guitars! Top
spskins Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3776 tn	Posted on Aug 14 2007 03:51 PM This has been posted before. More like 1969. — http://www.satanspilgrims.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/Satans-Pilgrims/8210228553 https://satanspilgrims.bandcamp.com/ http://www.surfyindustries.com Top
Kawentzmann Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 1061 Berlin, Germany	Posted on Aug 14 2007 04:35 PM Yeah, post-Mosrite era. One Pops In Japan has the same instrumentation - plus e-sitar. KK — The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy. Top
WR Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3832 netherlands	Posted on Aug 14 2007 04:40 PM Kawentzmann Yeah, post-Mosrite era. One Pops In Japan has the same instrumentation - plus e-sitar. KK Hey, I have Pops in Japan. kinda like it actually.... — Rules to live by #314: "When in Italy, if the menu says something's grilled, don't assume it is." https://www.facebook.com/The-Malbehavers-286429584796173/ Top
okonacat Joined: Sep 08, 2007 Posts: 34 Michigan	Posted on Sep 19 2007 02:23 PM Surely an unusual instrumentation for the boys! First time I've seen the vid, but I did find an old pic online with that equipment. I always thought Gerry was strictly a Strat man. Also, I always wondered why Mel or Leon never used a kettle drum when playing Hawaii Five-O live. It would be hard for John Durhill to replicate Mort Stevens orchestra with that keyboard he has, I don't think its a mellotron. I believe the only other time Mort Stevens collaborated with The Ventures for a H5-O sound was on the song Storefront Lawyers. The tv show certainly didn't last very long! Top
spskins Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3776 tn	Posted on Sep 19 2007 02:30 PM I think its a Vox(?). Obviously, they are not really playing and who knows who and what was really played. I think I remember (this may rumor and I haven't been able to play them side by side) Don Wilson saying that when Secret Agent Man hit for Johnny Rivers, Nokie ran in and played the instrumental lead over the actual rhythm tracks laid down by the studio guys on Johnny's hit version with his vocals taken out(?). This was possible because they were both on Liberty? Again, I just remember hearing this story, but with a song like Hawaii 5-0, I bet "The Ventures" meant one, or maybe two guitars and a whole lot of studio cats. Did Mel Taylor even play on it? — http://www.satanspilgrims.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/Satans-Pilgrims/8210228553 https://satanspilgrims.bandcamp.com/ http://www.surfyindustries.com Top
drumuitar Joined: Feb 28, 2006 Posts: 813 Boise, ID	Posted on Sep 19 2007 06:23 PM spskins I think its a Vox(?). Obviously, they are not really playing and who knows who and what was really played. I think I remember (this may rumor and I haven't been able to play them side by side) Don Wilson saying that when Secret Agent Man hit for Johnny Rivers, Nokie ran in and played the instrumental lead over the actual rhythm tracks laid down by the studio guys on Johnny's hit version with his vocals taken out(?). This was possible because they were both on Liberty? Again, I just remember hearing this story, but with a song like Hawaii 5-0, I bet "The Ventures" meant one, or maybe two guitars and a whole lot of studio cats. Did Mel Taylor even play on it? I don't have anything to back this up but I seriously doubt that Mel played on H5-0. It doesn't resemble his normal style or sound — Shawn Martin http://www.drummerman.net http://www.youtube.com/GKacedrummerman http://www.facebook.com/drumuitar Top
casey Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 521	Posted on Sep 21 2007 11:52 PM According to the notes with Fred Sokolow's transcription in "Classic Rock Instrumentals", lead guitarist was session man Jerry McGee, and there were 28 musicians in addition to the Ventures on the track. Top
okonacat Joined: Sep 08, 2007 Posts: 34 Michigan	Posted on Sep 22 2007 07:53 AM The Hawaii Five-O album would have been Gerry McGee's 2nd one with The Ventures, when he replaced Nokie Edwards for the first time. Some of the songs on it surely sound like session men were used. A lot of the 28 musicians were probably from Mort Stevens orchestra. For anyone who hasn't heard it, try to give a listen to The Ventures cut Storefront Lawyers, for the same orchestra, (and feel?) as H5-0. It would be interesting to find out if Mel actually played on the title track. Some of the fills sound like his, but I'm no drum expert. Top

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