raylinds
Joined: Jul 05, 2019
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Posted on May 25 2020 09:39 AM
Being a huge fan of Spaghetti Western instrumentals and Glen Campbell, I decided to pick up a few Baritone guitars- a PRS and a Gretsch:


I am able to get a nice Jazzmaster type tone on the PRS and have it in drop C tuning and am using it to play Tabou by The Jokers. The Gretsch has that great Gretsch twang and I am working on instrumental versions of Wichita Lineman and By the Time I Get to Phoenix.
Anyone else play baris?
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Redfeather
Joined: Jul 30, 2016
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Posted on May 25 2020 07:48 PM
Yep! They're great. I have a 27" metal type that I converted to more country style with P90s and I'm in the process of building a second one out of a Strat, using a Warmoth conversion neck.


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raylinds
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Posted on May 25 2020 09:27 PM
Redfeather wrote:
Yep! They're great. I have a 27" metal type that I converted to more country style with P90s and I'm in the process of building a second one out of a Strat, using a Warmoth conversion neck.


Nice! Love the shark fin inlays. Those P90s look like the same pickups as my PRS. They sound great.
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martinblasick
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Los Angeles
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Posted on May 26 2020 10:37 AM
I’ve borrowed them here and there. Wish I had one for the low single line melodies. Are there other areas where they shine?
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revmike
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North Atlantic
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Posted on May 26 2020 11:07 AM
I have a Danelectro Hodad Baritone that I absolutely adore. The power of those low notes is addictive. Working on an all baritone album right now. Stay tuned.
Rev
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raylinds
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Posted on May 26 2020 11:42 AM
revmike wrote:
I have a Danelectro Hodad Baritone that I absolutely adore. The power of those low notes is addictive. Working on an all baritone album right now. Stay tuned.
Rev
I'll be first in line to buy it!
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raylinds
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Posted on May 26 2020 11:44 AM
martinblasick wrote:
I’ve borrowed them here and there. Wish I had one for the low single line melodies. Are there other areas where they shine?
That's the main appeal. I love the Gretsch for the overall twangyness in all registers. Spaghetti Western instros just sound perfect on it.
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elmorto
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Oslo
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Posted on May 27 2020 04:22 AM
Oh yes, love baritones!
I have a classic vibe Telecaster with a Warmoth Baritone neck on it.

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Reverb17
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NYC
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Posted on May 29 2020 10:41 AM
I built this one myself back in the late 90's. 30" scale, A tuning.
I've used it on all 3 of our releases.

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revmike
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Posted on May 29 2020 10:48 AM
That is such a cool looking (and sounding) guitar. Lipstick pickups are hard to beat.
Rev
Reverb17 wrote:
I built this one myself back in the late 90's. 30" scale, A tuning.
I've used it on all 3 of our releases.

— Canadian Surf
http://www.urbansurfkings.com/
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cosmonaut
Joined: Apr 02, 2019
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Posted on Sep 16 2020 09:42 PM
i bought a bass vi and attempted to Baritone-ize it. new nut, smaller strings, a-a or b-b with capo. it never played or sounded right.
bought a fender subsonic neck, didn't notice the ABYSMAL nut slot before removing the bad slotted nut. too late to return this neck, so i'll have to make due.
at any rate, installed some tuners and hacked up a nut, slapped the neck in my strat and am absolutely in love. i will be building a baritone guitar using this neck now. the clarity and attack i wanted is in the strat; not the bass vi. bass vi is now back to being a bass vi and sounds great.
now to find a nice hard tail body to use...

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edwardsand
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Posted on Sep 17 2020 08:28 AM
cosmonaut wrote:
i bought a bass vi and attempted to Baritone-ize it. new nut, smaller strings, a-a or b-b with capo. it never played or sounded right.
bought a fender subsonic neck, didn't notice the ABYSMAL nut slot before removing the bad slotted nut. too late to return this neck, so i'll have to make due.
at any rate, installed some tuners and hacked up a nut, slapped the neck in my strat and am absolutely in love. i will be building a baritone guitar using this neck now. the clarity and attack i wanted is in the strat; not the bass vi. bass vi is now back to being a bass vi and sounds great.
now to find a nice hard tail body to use...
I would think a Jazzmaster body would work well with that neck to make a baritone. I've also got plans to put together a baritone - I've got a tele body but need to acquire a conversion neck for it some day.
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cosmonaut
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Posted on Sep 18 2020 09:58 PM
i considered this. the strat was actually because the body i bought for it was also an absolute horror show. I'm now waiting to find an offset body that I can use a nice hard tail bridge with. I have two jazzmasters already, and I wanted to make the cheapest baritone I could with existing parts.
the body i found was actually a tele routed to accommodate a strat heel. would have been perfect. until it showed up and would take more hours and tools than I have to make work.
edwardsand wrote:
I would think a Jazzmaster body would work well with that neck to make a baritone. I've also got plans to put together a baritone - I've got a tele body but need to acquire a conversion neck for it some day.
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pscates
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Posted on Sep 19 2020 07:57 PM
Forgive a goofy question, but what does a baritone guitar (tuned to A or B, which seems to be common...maybe even C?) provide that a Bass VI doesn't? I'm musically aware enough (theory, notes, keys, etc.) that I can do the on-the-fly thing if I had to (the band is playing in so-and-so key, and I'd need to kinda mentally transpose to play along with them in a A or B-tuned baritone). But I don't wanna!
The idea of a Bass VI, simply an octave below a guitar I'm already familiar with and know my way around without having to think "okay, the song is in E but I need to be playing in so-and-so positioning", has always appealed to me more. It gets the lower notes (A or B) a baritone does, but then some more (a low E). Plus, for any recording or home-based stuff, I've basically got a bass at my disposal should I want to use it as one. A double-duty type of thing.
There's zero baiting or snark in any of this. I'm genuinely asking because I've always wondered why both exist, and why a baritone would be preferred over a 6-string bass. I wouldn't want the mental strain of the transposing needed with a baritone when I could just keep it all familiar and friendly via a Bass VI.
So, with all that in mind...does the baritone offer a tonal/register benefit that isn't quite present on a Bass VI? Does it growl/twang and get That Sound™ in a way a Bass VI simply can't/doesn't? I've got hands-on 6-string bass experience (in the form of a cool old Jerry Jones longhorn), but other than some music store noodling, not much baritone (the one I was on was tuned B-to-b). I could just imagine myself totally blanking on a live gig and not knowing quite where to go should I lose focus.
And, these days, about all I do is lose focus...
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Reverb17
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Posted on Sep 19 2020 08:22 PM
To me the difference is all about the sound. A Bass IV is bassier.
You can't really play chords with a Bass IV in "E" tuning.
A baritone's thinner strings and 2 unwound strings just makes for a more guitar-like feel and sound.
I also feel that "A" tuning is much easier to transpose then "B" tuning.
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pscates
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Posted on Sep 19 2020 09:06 PM
Makes sense, thanks! You'd be the one to answer! I've seen your clips (Tarantinos, WrayCyclers) on YouTube for years...great stuff!
I think I must have some mental block about the key of B...haha.
So, yeah...I, too, would probably opt for the A tuning should I ever go down that road. But just the whole thing throws me. The fact that I even have to stop and give it thought worries me.
There's a trio with several videos on YouTube call The Tritons, out of Baltimore. I don't think they play anymore (nothing new posted in ages), but the guitarist plays a Jaguar baritone and it's tuned A-to-a. It sounds great, just him, a bass and drummer.
Covering The Chantays' "Retaliation"...I LOVE how that low twang drones against the melody; great version!
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edwardsand
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Posted on Sep 19 2020 09:09 PM
In my mind, it's like they both exist in the sonic space between a regular bass and a regular 6 string, but a baritone fits a spot about 1/3 of the way down from a regular guitar, while the Bass VI is like 2/3 of the way down. These are just vague approximations, but it's how I envision it.
It seems the Bass VI is more for playing bass lines with a different sound, while baritones are more for lead lines or licks with a different sound/feel. If I recall correctly, Paul McCartney used a Bass VI on the white album to double his bass lines for a really distinct sound.
I'm fine with transposing, so I'd be happy to have one of each.
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synchro
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Posted on Sep 20 2020 12:15 AM
pscates wrote:
Forgive a goofy question, but what does a baritone guitar (tuned to A or B, which seems to be common...maybe even C?) provide that a Bass VI doesn't? I'm musically aware enough (theory, notes, keys, etc.) that I can do the on-the-fly thing if I had to (the band is playing in so-and-so key, and I'd need to kinda mentally transpose to play along with them in a A or B-tuned baritone). But I don't wanna!
The idea of a Bass VI, simply an octave below a guitar I'm already familiar with and know my way around without having to think "okay, the song is in E but I need to be playing in so-and-so positioning", has always appealed to me more. It gets the lower notes (A or B) a baritone does, but then some more (a low E). Plus, for any recording or home-based stuff, I've basically got a bass at my disposal should I want to use it as one. A double-duty type of thing.
There's zero baiting or snark in any of this. I'm genuinely asking because I've always wondered why both exist, and why a baritone would be preferred over a 6-string bass. I wouldn't want the mental strain of the transposing needed with a baritone when I could just keep it all familiar and friendly via a Bass VI.
So, with all that in mind...does the baritone offer a tonal/register benefit that isn't quite present on a Bass VI? Does it growl/twang and get That Sound™ in a way a Bass VI simply can't/doesn't? I've got hands-on 6-string bass experience (in the form of a cool old Jerry Jones longhorn), but other than some music store noodling, not much baritone (the one I was on was tuned B-to-b). I could just imagine myself totally blanking on a live gig and not knowing quite where to go should I lose focus.
And, these days, about all I do is lose focus...
When I wanted a baritone, I decided to go with a Bass VI. I couldn’t really see any downside, although I will concede that chords are restricted to triads on the upper strings.
The VI is an oddity. I have long contended that it can be used as a bass, and I have played mine as a bass, with no complaints from the rest of the band, or from the audience. But it is also quite happy in the role of a baritone. The range of sounds available is impressive and it definitely can fill that role.
I had thought of a B-B baritone, but that only adds an additional fourth on the bottom, and that didn’t seem enough.
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Reverb17
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NYC
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Posted on Sep 20 2020 11:08 AM
"A" tuning seems to work better with guitars that have a 30" scale.
A lot of baritones come in 28" or 27" scale, and "A" tuning can seem a little too slack for that tuning. This would explain why "B" seems more popular. "A" tuning gives you more range and places it almost half way between guitar and bass. The downside it the longer neck.
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cosmonaut
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Posted on Sep 20 2020 12:20 PM
I converted my bass VI to A-a tuning. just needed a new nut for smaller strings. The 30" scale didn't quite give me what I wanted in the response and pick attack, surprisingly. It felt too close to being a bass. I write a lot in A, so that seemed like a good choice. I never got the drippy attack through my reverb tank on the bass strings tuned A-a.
With the short scale 27" baritone length, the strat is surfy as ever. The pick attack and reverb drip when palm muting is still there.
Yes I could capo the bass VI and play in B, but it never felt as good as the strat does, and certainly didn't have the unamplified attack.
I blasted through The Victor and The Wedge last night on the baritone and it was glorious. Dick Dale sounds good tuned down to B
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