Crazy, I see out of print surf sometimes in cheap bins.
I usually buy them to give as gifts.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Rich must have fell on some hard times to sell an autographed Madeira LP. That’s the only explanation that makes sense to me.

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psychonaut wrote:

As far as CD's go, good riddance! They might sound better than streaming or mp3's, but CD's sound like absolute garbage when compared to vinyl or tape. My opinion of course but I'm sticking by it.

Well, I'm a romantic too, though while I generally share your disdain for the Compact Disc media and good riddance indeed, that statement cannot be wholly correct. You may like the artifacts, that's when your opinion comes in, and none can argue. But objectively (as far as humans can discuss music stuff), it really depends on the intent - if the material was mastered for CD, a CD will sound better. Some forms of music do work better digital.
'Garbage' as you say is due to early digital technology (they fixed that) or bad engineering. The digitizing itself is not the culprit, it's the process.

Keep in mind - one can always degrade and limit the source to sound more vinyl-like, but not vice-versa. OTH, if the whole recording, mixing and mastering processes were intended for vinyl (even if not analog all the way, captured on tape etc.), I agree, it's has it's un-replacable magic.

As for the guy getting rid of a signed Madeira record, I hope it's not a case of R.I.P., which is the only scenario I can imagine, (or a brutal divorce, don't know which is worst...)

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Ariel wrote:

psychonaut wrote:

As far as CD's go, good riddance! They might sound better than streaming or mp3's, but CD's sound like absolute garbage when compared to vinyl or tape. My opinion of course but I'm sticking by it.

Well, I'm a romantic too, though while I generally share your disdain for the Compact Disc media and good riddance indeed, that statement cannot be wholly correct. You may like the artifacts, that's when your opinion comes in, and none can argue. But objectively (as far as humans can discuss music stuff), it really depends on the intent - if the material was mastered for CD, a CD will sound better. Some forms of music do work better digital.
'Garbage' as you say is due to early digital technology (they fixed that) or bad engineering. The digitizing itself is not the culprit, it's the process.

Keep in mind - one can always degrade and limit the source to sound more vinyl-like, but not vice-versa. OTH, if the whole recording, mixing and mastering processes were intended for vinyl (even if not analog all the way, captured on tape etc.), I agree, it's has it's un-replacable magic.

As for the guy getting rid of a signed Madeira record, I hope it's not a case of R.I.P., which is the only scenario I can imagine, (or a brutal divorce, don't know which is worst...)

Well its not about romanticism or artifacts, it's about depth and weight. Digital is loaded with artifacts anyway and there's loads of information missing, regardless of if it's 44.1, 96k, etc, Nyquist theorem not withstanding.
When we did our last album I had the opportunity to compare the 1/2" 2 track master tape mix to a protools bounce, to the vinyl version, CD version, and download version through a McIntosh amp and $30,000 worth of studio monitors at the studio it was recorded in, and the vinyl sounded the closest to the master tape, the digital version was sorely lacking in comparison even though in and of itself it sounded fine. In either case I'm not trying to engage in a digital versus analog battle, but I firmly believe digital has had a very negative effect on the way music sounds, and on the way people listen to and value music. Because vinyl is a fragile medium that has to be treated with care and respect, it automatically incerases the value of what's recorded on it.
At the end of the day though, listening to music is a very personal experience and everybody hears differently. All I can say is when I put on a Vinyl lp I actually sit down and listen to the whole thing as the main activity. When I listen to a cd, ipod, or streaming, I'm not actively engaged in listening, I find I start doing other stuff and am very prone to skip tracks very often. That's something worth reflecting on. Don't even get me started on compression and limiting...

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The Madeira LP find to me is a positive signal, being the band has been around 15 years and probably a lot of albums out there now, it only makes sense some will be found in cut out bins and other places, and autographed no less

I haven't counted how many albums of modern surf is out there now but would say its over 5000 albums at least. So its only probability at times many will be found at Goodwill or some place like that. To me that says all the different waves of action in Surf is paying off.

That being said, this thread reminded me of a old idea I totally forgot about, take very old music and revamp it into the Surf style. I have at least 3000 albums (many 10 record sets) I bought at Goodwill right before being slated for destruction. Many I bought for 50 cents a piece. Most of it is Classical and Big Band (many Readers Digest box sets etc). But might idea was to modernize the old stuff. Many songs in Surf were old standards anyway. (In fact most music is anyway)

I was into music writing a while back reading books about it, but so many do that anyway now. I did learn how to arrange better and all that. But this got me thinking I have all this music to pile through and even have some of it on a flash card …...hum ……….

Recently I just came up with a Surf version of Memphis (Which probably was already done by now, but all I did was change the main riff a little more like a "Point Panic" style in G and it sounds like Surf. I tried different ways it sounded best to me with just adding in a Point Panic riff here and there to make it work but still keeping the main Memphis riff going as well.

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psychonaut wrote:

crumble wrote:

One would hope the Tull album was Aqualung;)

Thick as a Brick actually.

Lol. It was a fine album despite the press reviews at the time.

ElMonstroPorFavor wrote:

I'd like to know more about your receiver, sir

That’s a Dynaco PAS 3 preamp. I run it through a Dynaco st70 power amp.
Both run on tubes

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And about CDs vs LPs... all a bunch of BS. CDs can sound great if they are not f**ked with, which, unfortunately, usually happens these days. Listen to a CD copy of Roger Water's "Amused to Death" to hear how well a digital release can be.

That said, I'm listening to HiRez files these days (24/96)and find some increased quality. I wish more bands would make HiRez versions of their recordings available. Sure saves on storage space...

Rev.

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psychonaut wrote:

That said, isnt it a wonderful time we live in that you can listen to music in anyway one wishes?

1000%!

• Jamie
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The Van Alstine mods are new circuit boards for each unit. Back when, you could do the mods yourself at a reasonable cost. Now you must ship them to Van Alstine at more expense.

Very worthwhile, brought the venerable Dynaco components up to snuff. Now I'm completing mods to my PAT-5 and ST-120 (op amps and transistors, or the horror!).

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