BillAqua
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Posted on May 01 2006 09:23 PM
Ok, I'd normally ask a basic gear question at the Fender Forum, but I've been banned, and I think musican wise this place is stronger anyway.
I've got two Jaguars both set up exactly the same, same strings, same string height, almost identical amounts of relief in the necks. One guitar's wound G and A string buzz slightly in the upper registers(12th fret on up), when bending or picking them really hard. The other does not do this and I probably wouldn't have noticed the buzzing(it's more of a chocking sound) if I did not have the other Jag that did not do this. The only difference is the one Jag that does not buzz has more wear on the frets. I always thought more wear would mean less clean sounding notes when fretting strings?
I'm almost to the point of selling it and getting another Jaguar, or putting a plain G on it and going James Burton on this thing until the frets get a little flatter.
Anyone else ever have this happen?
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Brian
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Posted on May 01 2006 09:50 PM
Banned from the FDP? 
Did'ja try just giving yourself a hair more relief on the truss rod? You can go crazy adjusting those damn Jaguars and Jazzmasters; there are so many variables to play with. I bet with a little (?) bit of tweaking you can get rid of that buzz. Good luck!
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on May 01 2006 09:59 PM
Oh the joys of playing rhythm guitar. Don't have to worry about problems as minor as Bill's.
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BillAqua
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Posted on May 01 2006 10:07 PM
JakeDobner
Oh the joys of playing rhythm guitar. Don't have to worry about problems as minor as Bill's.
 I'd love to see the shape your guitars are in!!
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JakeDobner
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Posted on May 01 2006 10:21 PM
They have their fair share of bumps. On pinky there are many cosmetic problems. The setup would make you freak out. I broke a nut on that guitar as well. I really need to get that guitar professionally set up. There is a buzz I can't fix. The red guitar just needs to strings. Otherwise it is fine. It is shimmed much more than pinky. And as you know pinky probably doesn't have what can be called a collet anymore. The Gretsch is in good shape. It doesn't get gigged with.
I don't really try to protect to the jags to any special extent. I don't abuse them either.
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BillAqua
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Posted on May 01 2006 10:29 PM
JakeDobner
They have their fair share of bumps. On pinky there are many cosmetic problems. The setup would make you freak out. I broke a nut on that guitar as well. I really need to get that guitar professionally set up. There is a buzz I can't fix. The red guitar just needs to strings. Otherwise it is fine. It is shimmed much more than pinky. And as you know pinky probably doesn't have what can be called a collet anymore. The Gretsch is in good shape. It doesn't get gigged with.
I don't really try to protect to the jags to any special extent. I don't abuse them either.
Ok, just to add to my dilema. My Jaguar that isn't playing the way I want has more teeth in collet, hardly any dings, and a absolutly perfect nut. That is why this is so frustrating, I can set up all my friends guitars, but can't get this one right. I've had the neck off it 3 times this week, and even swapped the bridges on both Jaguars. It's gotta be the frets....
The Jaguar that sounds better has 2 teeth in the collet, tons of dings, so many shims that the neck is about a 64th of an inch off the body, the bass strings on the nut were filed too low and have a compound of superglue and baking soda in them to keep the strings from buzzing on the first frets, and the high strings on the nut were not cut deep enough, and hacked up with incorrect files to get them deeper. But it sounds perfect.
My Gretsch is holding up well and collecting dust along with my Rickenbacker, and Les Paul.
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JakeDobner
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Posted on May 01 2006 10:39 PM
I am keeping the Jags at the practice house right now so the Gretsch has to be played.
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sidewalksurf
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Posted on May 02 2006 11:49 AM
BillAqua
Ok, I'd normally ask a basic gear question at the Fender Forum, but I've been banned, and I think musican wise this place is stronger anyway.
Welcome to the club!
Do you have a Mustang bridge or the stock bridge on there?
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BillAqua
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Posted on May 02 2006 11:58 AM
sidewalksurf
BillAqua
Ok, I'd normally ask a basic gear question at the Fender Forum, but I've been banned, and I think musican wise this place is stronger anyway.
Welcome to the club!
Do you have a Mustang bridge or the stock bridge on there?
Stock bridges on both of my Jaguars.
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Richard
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Georgia
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Posted on May 02 2006 12:09 PM
If you already know your stuff setup-wise then it's got to be the frets at that spot. Have you tried sanding?
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sidewalksurf
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Posted on May 02 2006 02:27 PM
BillAqua
sidewalksurf
BillAqua
Ok, I'd normally ask a basic gear question at the Fender Forum, but I've been banned, and I think musican wise this place is stronger anyway.
Welcome to the club!
Do you have a Mustang bridge or the stock bridge on there?
Stock bridges on both of my Jaguars.
Okay, that rules that out - Mustang saddles cannot individually adjusted for height - I was gonna suggest slightly shimming the two saddles.
Fender necks can be very finicky - I recently took all of the strings off of my Jaguar (I usually replace them one at a time on the guitar) and let it sit for a day or so before I restrung with the same brand and gauge that I always use and the neck was buzzing all over the place for several days before it got settled back into place.
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skeeter
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Posted on May 02 2006 03:01 PM
Do you have a buzzstop on either?
They really do what their name implies, especially on Jags, my JM doesn't really have any buzz problems.
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JakeDobner
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Posted on May 02 2006 03:26 PM
Buzzstops will not fix Bill's problem. A properly setup Jaguar or Jazzmaster will not buzz. My thought on the buzzstop is that it kills the vibe of the Jaguar or whatever guitar it is on.
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BillAqua
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Posted on May 02 2006 03:45 PM
JakeDobner
Buzzstops will not fix Bill's problem. A properly setup Jaguar or Jazzmaster will not buzz. My thought on the buzzstop is that it kills the vibe of the Jaguar or whatever guitar it is on.
You're right.
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skeeter
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Posted on May 02 2006 03:46 PM
I thought killing the vibe was the whole idea?
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skeeter
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Posted on May 02 2006 04:12 PM
Seriously though, I have a buzzstop on my jag and haven't noticed any loss of vibe, I haven't even noticed any more sustain like some people claim. It just adds a little more tension which alleviates (not always eliminates) fret and especially bridge buzz.
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BillAqua
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Posted on May 02 2006 04:19 PM
I always thought fret buzz came from bad string height at the bridge or nut, or a neck in need of a truss rod adjustment, and if all that is set up right, then it's gotta be bad frets.
I don't know how a buzz stop would effect that. But, I could see it removing bridge buzz because of the string angle it would create between the bridge and the tailpiece.
Once finals are over I'm going to take her apart one more time, and really check out the frets like Richard advised, the frets are getting some weird flatwound wear so I may stick a plain g on for a bit, and in Mike's case maybe it will all just go away.
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Posted on May 02 2006 04:27 PM
BillAqua
I always thought fret buzz came from bad string height at the bridge or nut, or a neck in need of a truss rod adjustment, and if all that is set up right, then it's gotta be bad frets.
I don't know how a buzz stop would effect that.
I don't know either, I was just thinking maybe a little extra tension might keep the string off the higher frets, but you're right it should be fixable in other ways. Good luck.
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JakeDobner
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Posted on May 02 2006 04:36 PM
It is my belief that the buzzstop holds the strings tighter on the bridge which presses the saddles down harder. This cures not having the bridge set up properly(loose saddle screws and such). The loose saddle screws are really solved best with loctite.
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bigtikidude
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Posted on May 02 2006 08:01 PM
Bill,
could the neck have a slight warp to it?
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