ausf wrote:

Yeah, it's pretty lear at this point.

Rebranding is one thing, I guess that falls under buyer beware, but claiming you sound different than the company that you're rebranding is crossing the line.

That must be one hell of a sticker.

While none of us here can ever be 100% certain, I'm pretty sure this ^^^ isn't the case.

Also worth a read: https://surfguitar101.com/forums/topic/30378/

Fady

El Mirage @ ReverbNation

You may have a point Fady, but only the seller can clear this thing up. TAD and MOD sell great tanks, but if you're looking for something like the old Accutronics you may expect something different than a rebranded MOD. If you're buying an apple they can't give you a banana and just call it an apple, right? Unless they can explain how they reinvented the banana to taste just like an apple.

I've have emailed the dealer and am waiting to hear back on Friday.

I truly hope it is an actual Revisit pan and all will be well.

The only thing I must reiterate, two MOD stickers that have obviously pealed off of something (bent ears) were stuck to a plastic bag that contained a Fender Jewel lamp cover as part of the order. Not something that was just in the packaging of the pan The pan was neatly packaged in the orange bubblewrap and elsewhere in the box were other items I ordered, including the lamp cover with the sticker. If the sticker was found in the bottom of a sealed Revisit box or something, I'd be more inclined to believe it was a factory goof, etc if it is true they are all made in one building in Korea anyway.

And this particular seller does not list MOD pans to boot, only Revisit and Accu.

I want to believe, but being born and raised in NYC , I lean towards the skeptical side: Eyes first, words second.

Here are pic's of the 3 Revisit pans I have, one installed, two spares. The housing finish is definitely the same as the MOD pans I've had and look like the original post (not the hammered/textured finish). Even the other models I ended up returning look exactly like the ones here save the model #'s printed on the stickers. Springs and transducers look a lot the same too. Can't explain why, but the sound and experience between them and the MOD... pretty stark differences.

That said, those first pics in the thread with MOD + Revisit labels is disconcerting. Ran had a reasonable/plausible explanation. Another... I shared my RMA/Return experience w/ Revisit on that other thread. They were beyond generous and easy to deal with. It could be someone did a return sent back a MOD pan. Possible that return got mixed up and the MOD found its way into stock/this order. I don't know, just thinking out loud. Really hate to think a business that seems to be pretty robust and not flyby night would do something so egregious.

Anyhow, here are my pans:

Fady

El Mirage @ ReverbNation

I cannot tell you how good those photos make me feel Fady.

I now think it's more of a universe is laughing at me type deal with that MOD sticker.

I'm certainly glad my email to them was along the lines of requesting information, not accusing. I included my photos but only asked if the current pans are hammerite or not.

Your photos show the same that I received, even down to the notes on the bubble wrap.

So unless you are amprepairparts (I'm kidding), I accept this as much as I do your original thread.

I value well written and knowledgable opinions, I'm not in a position to really experience this stuff first hand, so I rely on info like you've presented. Surf guitar is new to me (long time bass player) and I'm hooked. I'm shooting for the best possible sound I can get, but this is just a hobby, never going past my tiny home studio. I could've added a Bigsby to my old studio rat Squier tele, plugged through my Holy Grail into a bass amp and called it a day, but instead bought a 60s Lac Jag, a small valve amp and am rounding it out with a Surfy Bear and Trem because I'm chasing the drip.

You've been immense help and I thank you for your time taking the photos.

Just noticed difference in pic. Look in the middle. The aluminum silver looking piece is cut/stamped differenly. Different cut away and hole placement.

Robert

The GnarlyMen

GOOD EYE, idiotdunce!
I pulled out my MOD and voila:

I was wrong, and retract my above statement. That inner pan is definitely NOT the same. Sorry for confusing things even more.

I think you're good after all, ausf.

To add to what Gilette mentioned on page 1, The Revisit site and TAD site share the exact same 8 point copy about holes and numbering, as well as the pics (with the "skinny divider" inside the inner pan) -
at page top
at page bottom

But the actual Revisits shipped are smooth finish apparently, with WIDE divider.
and MOD, has nothing to do with any of this. Or does it...
It's just a big mess of websites, distributors and stickers... As long as the product's good, what do we care, right. Again my apologies for my misleading earlier. Thank you Fady for clearing things up!

That fore-mentioned divider's width relates to the magnetic chaos right around the spring-joints, it may be worth experimenting...
I carefully bet that even the tiniest difference in manufacturing of any of the components, would result in a different sound profile.

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Well, I got a response and I have to admit the service of this company is top notch and I appreciate their honestly, although the info is a bit disappointing.

Basically they are all the same.

Two factories are making them, one in Korea (Accutronics, Belton) and China (Revisit, MOD and the rest)

The tank I have is a MOD from another store to fill stock until they are replenished. Revisit tanks are often sold to other store to become MOD.

The only difference is in the warranty.

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While it appears that the consensus is that Accutronics pans tend to sound brighter, have less decay and are capable of a "wetter / drippier" tone depending on the amp or outboard unit circuit while MOD tanks tend to be deeper, darker, and have a longer decay.
I think what it comes down to is that there can be a ton of tonal differences between all the reverb pans being produced today, even amongst the same specific model from the same company. When Jer DeLisle was building my amp, he must have tried 10 different pans: MOD, MIK Accutronics and even a USA Accutronics until he found what he thought sounded best. One of the problems he has been encountering with 17" MOD pans in his combos is that many of the pans would start to oscillate at higher volume and reverb settings so he started using the 9" three spring MOD pans which did not have the issue. The 17" MIK Accutronics didn't have the oscillation issue either but he found them to sound a bit too tinny and metallic. I ultimately swapped out the 9" MOD 3 spring pan for a 17" 2 spring MOD however I made sure that I did a thorough job of isolating/insulating the pan from the amp speaker by taping heavy cardboard to the bottom of the pan along with shock absorbent high density foam rubber insulation tape to the bottom and a thick piece of high density foam rubber on the top of the pan then stuffed it into a good quality felt lined vinyl reverb bag and have had no issues at any settings. The original 9" three spring MOD pan actually sounded good but I prefer the tone of the longer 17" two spring MOD pan which driven by the the tube circuit in the DeLisle sounds pretty close to a vintage Ampeg.

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