Mrgreen
Joined: Jun 20, 2007
Posts: 351
Toronto, ON
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Posted on Jun 20 2007 09:30 PM
Hey dudes and dudettes :
How can I get a decent tone out of a Squier Strat with humbucker(yeah that sucks but I could only find that one) and a fender Frontman II 25R amp. The problem is that the humbucker is really dirty. I tried raising the middle and neck pickups so I could use them instead, which improved my sound a bit but if you could give me some other advise. Maybe equalizing the amp... I don't know. I'm saving for a DiPinto Galaxie IV( image)
but until that I gotta use this guitar. Any advise is welcome.
Thanks
Mr. Green
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jun 20 2007 09:33 PM
Don't get a Dipinto, get a better amp. A great amp is more important, in my opinion, than a good guitar.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11062
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Jun 20 2007 09:39 PM
research the net on splitting the pickup into a single coil. Save up for a reverb tank too.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
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Mrgreen
Joined: Jun 20, 2007
Posts: 351
Toronto, ON
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Posted on Jun 20 2007 09:44 PM
JakeDobner
Don't get a Dipinto, get a better amp. A great amp is more important, in my opinion, than a good guitar.
The thing is that I sorta love my amp although I know its not a great one but the problems I have are with the guitar mostly.
P.S. Are DiPintos bad quality or something ?
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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Seattle
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Posted on Jun 20 2007 10:09 PM
The humbucker is dirty because of your amp. Also, you can buy new picktups for your guitar. I would suggest new pickups and a tube amp. Fender Hot Rod series.
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diceophonic
Joined: May 20, 2006
Posts: 2174
PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)
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Posted on Jun 20 2007 11:58 PM
JakeDobner
Fender Hot Rod series.
Dude get yourself a bandmaster/bassman/tremolux/showman head for the price you would pay for a piece of crap PC board amp. The tone will speak for it's self trust me  you'll never go back to PC board or solid state amps, point to point is way better.
— -Kyle
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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Seattle
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Posted on Jun 21 2007 12:28 AM
diceophonic
JakeDobner
Fender Hot Rod series.
Dude get yourself a bandmaster/bassman/tremolux/showman head for the price you would pay for a piece of crap PC board amp. The tone will speak for it's self trust me you'll never go back to PC board or solid state amps, point to point is way better.
I'll never go back either.
Although I must say I prefer Mike's RI Vibroverb more than my old custom '64 Vibroverb. Kyle, I bought a '66 Super that is amazing.
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diceophonic
Joined: May 20, 2006
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PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)
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Posted on Jun 21 2007 12:51 AM
JakeDobner
diceophonic
JakeDobner
Fender Hot Rod series.
Dude get yourself a bandmaster/bassman/tremolux/showman head for the price you would pay for a piece of crap PC board amp. The tone will speak for it's self trust me you'll never go back to PC board or solid state amps, point to point is way better.
I'll never go back either.
Although I must say I prefer Mike's RI Vibroverb more than my old custom '64 Vibroverb. Kyle, I bought a '66 Super that is amazing.
Man I dig Mike's brownface Vibroverb, in a few months I'll be building a 6G16 brownface tan Vibroverb amp but this 1 will have a 12" instead of 2x10's, man the one thing I dig about the 6G16 circuit is it's vibrato I'm a sucker for vibrato  Sweet I can't wait to see your '66 super! all stock?
— -Kyle
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Jun 21 2007 01:03 AM
Nope, not all stock. It actually has a '59 Bassman transformer. Also, the reverb circuit was messed up in the factory so that was fixed. I'm not going to play live with it.
I think you should do the 2 10s. You could build a 2x10 or 1x15 extension cab like Mike did.
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P2gee
Joined: Jul 05, 2006
Posts: 264
Waco Texas
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Posted on Jun 21 2007 09:41 AM
Mrgreen
JakeDobner
Don't get a Dipinto, get a better amp. A great amp is more important, in my opinion, than a good guitar.
The thing is that I sorta love my amp although I know its not a great one but the problems I have are with the guitar mostly.
P.S. Are DiPintos bad quality or something ?
I would agree that your amp may be holding you back a bit. Any one of the tube amps mentioned would help and I would throw in the new Kustom Coupe series amps to for consideration. I dont own one but played around with a 72 a little bit.....pretty versital amp, can almost nail Fender tube tone, and has ultimate tremelo ( yeah I like good tremelo too). Nothing wrong with Dipintos, just some think the have dead tone.......I dont see it ( hear it?) ......Galaxie IV has an kind of a tubby Telecaster/ jangly Rickenbacker kind of sound that some hate but I like and I too am saving to get one. One thing I think you need to remember about tone is about 70% of it is in your hands/technique. I always remember a band that played here from Austin on occasion. The guitarist main axe was a 61 Strat that sounded fantastic. But he also had a Kay that he picked up at a pawn shop for 30 bucks. He told of how bad condition it was in and how he had spent 3 years restoring it. He would play it on several tunes through out the night and it sounded just as good if not better sometimes than his Strat. That guy showed me that many times it's the operator and not the equipment that defines tone.
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Jun 21 2007 11:34 AM
I just had to jump in this too. Mrgreen, I couldn't help but notice that you said "tone", not "sound." After all these years I've come to belive that "tone" comes from the player first. It is interpreted by his instrument (in this case guitar). It is then transfered from the guitar to the (in our case surf music) reverb tank, then to the amp. With this in mind and taking into consideration just how much some of my guitars inspire me. I'd zero in on the right guitar first........ed
— Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?
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windmill
Joined: Mar 22, 2006
Posts: 269
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Posted on Jun 22 2007 05:57 AM
Have you tried lowering the pickups, this may reduce the signal a bit,
HTH
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estreet
Joined: Mar 17, 2007
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United Kingdom
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Posted on Jun 22 2007 06:28 AM
eddiekatcher
After all these years I've come to belive that "tone" comes from the player first.
Couldn't agree more - at least 50% of the 'quality' of the sound you make comes from your fingers. Someone else playing your guitar through your gear with the same settings can sound entirely different to you. Obviously, your gear can limit or enhance you - but it's not the most important thing.
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PhatTele
Joined: Jun 05, 2006
Posts: 445
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Posted on Jun 22 2007 09:37 AM
BTW - To answer you question about the DiPinto...it's a great guitar and well worth the price. It's got tones that are sort of a cross between a Strat and a Jaguar. You'll love it.
Meanwhile, what you're trying for is clean and warm. A simple trick with your current guitar (since it's running a bit hot w/that humbucker) is to put in a "volume kit." You see them a lot in Teles. They allow you to turn down your volume without loosing the high end of the tone...it won't go muddy on you. The "kit" version I like to use is the .0022uF cap + 220K resister (Lindy Fralin's recommendation). With this in place, you'll be able to turn your amp up a bit and turn your guitar volume down a bit (maybe a quarter turn). Your tone will clean up and you'll have a little something extra to work with for lead work.
Here's a link showing you how to install the "volume kit." You can get the parts at Radio Shack.
http://www.fralinpickups.com/images/phazrev.jpg
I put these in all of my guitars (Strats, Teles, Jags, JMs, Jerry Jones, etc.) It makes a huge difference.
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Mrgreen
Joined: Jun 20, 2007
Posts: 351
Toronto, ON
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Posted on Jun 22 2007 09:30 PM
Thanks a lot everyone, each one of your suggestions will be considered. 
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