Umm... Count me in on the kid's side... You'd rather see him with his pants around his knees bein' all ghetto?

"almost as sloppy as page" That was one of the most truthful and funny things I've heard in a while.

Brian
I don't think Page's solo in Stairway is "wanking". I like Page a lot. And kudos to the kid.

I dont either I love Page! Im just saying that learning stuff from TAB is not a good way to become a musician. Write songs, figure stuff out by ear, dont try to impress the 'units.

I was at GuitarCenter the other day and this kid like 12 was playing eruption, I felt like slapping him. When he was playing the fast trem part I looked over and his whole family was standing around him in awe and they saw me looking at him. I just shook my head 'no' and walked away. (I was impressed a little though)

Well how do you know he learned it from tab? That's a pretty big assumption. He's just a kid, so that could account for the lack of vibrato, etc. I don't see how hand positions have anything to do with tab. I learned a bunch of stuff by ear but when I go see the actual band play it I find I was playing in the "wrong" position all the time.

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Wow. Well if you ever want to get the crap beat out of your ego, videotape yourself playing the guitar and post it on YouTube. Some of those comments are vicious. Of course that guy brought a lot of that on himself...

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Brian
Wow. Well if you ever want to get the crap beat out of your ego, videotape yourself playing the guitar and post it on YouTube. Some of those comments are vicious. Of course that guy brought a lot of that on himself...

Yeah but I think that guy is kind of cool in a way. I love the vocals.

IronMaiden
[Im just saying this video reeks of tab.

Once again... Hunh? Who cares how someone learns something. Woody Guthrie learned by ripping off Leadbelly. Leadbelly didn't care. He said "Shit, you can steal whatever you can, but I ain't showing nothin'" Is that a more honorable way? Everyone who goes to Berklee school of music sucks because they didn't figure it all out by themselves? Gillian Welch met David Rawlings at Berklee in a country music class. What? They didn't learn their old timey style just from listening to old Carter Family records? Oh my god! I just realized, THEY SUCK now! Clutch the Pearls and alert the media! I play music by all the people I listed above. Had to figure it all out myself. There were definitely songs I wish tab were available for...

Dude lighten up. Is musical notation more honorable than tab? Somebody still transcribed it and is telling you what note to play. I have a shitload of musical notation and tab at my house. I'm old enough to remember when Stefan Grossman popularized tab. It was a bitchin' development as far as I was concerned because I could learn old blues stuff you couldn't find on record back then and therefore NEVER HEARD, and it still rocks. Most everything I've learned from tab I play differently than the way I learned it. But it's a cool way to transmit knowledge designed specifically for the guitar fretboard.

I'm actually jealous I wasn't playing when I was his age. Maybe you are a little too?

I think its better to develop a good ear. If someone asked me to teach them how to play the solo to 'stairway' I would tell them to learn the pentatonic minor scale and say, "here ya go now you can play every zep solo ever written". If you know the few box patterns those guys used, and a few blues tricks like bends, hammer-ons, slides, etc. you can write your own zeppelin songs.

You see contention I see an open discourse. If we all agreed then there would be too much stagnation of musical growth, or at least it would be boring.

yeah maybe he's being pushed into it, or maybe like any kid his age, he's awkward as hell and nervous about being on camera. We don't know. We'll never know.

And I have to say Iron Maiden reread your post about "I looked over and his whole family was standing around him in awe and they saw me looking at him. I just shook my head 'no' and walked away." A freakin' 13 old was playing eruption. I heard eruption when it first came out and thought "Oh Shit! I might as well hang it up!" You admit yourself you were impressed, and here a 13 yr old pulls it off and you felt the need to make his family feel bad. Man... I hope you don't plan on being a rockstar or anything else that requires equal parts talent and good fortune, cuz that Karma is gonna take a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time to work out. You may have the talent, but the good fortune could be hard to come by. I may sound like a hippy but what comes around, goes around baby.