Always_Ben
Joined: Mar 12, 2017
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Posted on Mar 12 2017 12:22 AM
I grew up listening to all types of surf music, which my parents played in the car all the time. Stopped for a while, but have been again, and now I'm itching to invest some time and gear!
I've first started by getting Fender 63 Outboard spring with mods already done on it. Now two more things where I need input:
1) I have an Egnater Tweaker which is doing the job for now, but I'm hoping to get an amp with some onboard bias tremolo on it. Budget is $1500 new or used. So far, I've looked at the Allen Encore, Allen Sweet Spot, Allen Hot Fudge w/ Nuts, Carl's Custom CPC20 Blonde, Carr Rambler, and Tone King Meteor II. Anyone use any of these and care to give a shout out?
2) A guitar with a nice vibrato unit. I only have hardtail guitars right now. The main problem is I'm a guy who really feels most comfortable with thick necks. Like at least .88" at nut kind of thick. So far, I've found no Jaguars, Jazzmasters, Mosrite clones, or any of the other usual surf guitar suspects have anything close. So: thick necked guitar with a good vibrato system. Any suggestions?
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Mar 12 2017 12:40 AM
Welcome Always_Ben! Glad to have you here. I know nothing about those amps, but I do know you can pick up a silverface fender for less than half that and use some of the money left over to buy a trem pedal that sounds good to you. I'm partial to the Strymon Flint, which has trem and reverb. I like the reverb as a backup to my tank. I also know nothing about which guitars have thick necks, perhaps Gretsches? They sound really good for instrumental guitar music, especially in a 3 piece format. Best of luck on your search. 
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Samurai
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Kiev, Ukraine
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Posted on Mar 12 2017 01:38 AM
Gibson SG with Bigsby may work for you) with p-90 it's a great surf rock guitar.
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stratdancer
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Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Mar 12 2017 06:20 AM
I'll second looking for an SG. This is mine. It has the thickest neck of any electric guitar I've ever played. I didn't put P-90's in because I only play surf with my strats.
I agree with Danny about looking for a silver face fender amp. Good deals abound.

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Las_Barracudas
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Surf City, NC
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Posted on Mar 12 2017 10:40 AM
The DiPinto Galaxie IV has a 12" radius and 25-1/2" scale length. The neck has a club-like shape to it. Now made in the USA if that matters to you and the older import models are still readily available.
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IvanP
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southern Michigan
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Posted on Mar 12 2017 11:14 AM
FWIW, Fender's '65 reissue Strat has a very thick neck. Fender introduced those in '12, and it's had some beautiful color schemes in that time: Shoreline Gold (with matching headstock), Dakota Red and Burgundy Mist, all three now discontinued but easily found on eBay. (The only colors they've had the last couple of years are Olympic White and Sunburst, both still very pretty.) Just FYI.
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ColtsSurf
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Posted on Mar 12 2017 03:04 PM
The Allen amps are very well made. Although loosely based on Fender amps, there are proprietary tweaks that make the tone somewhat different. If you are looking for a Fender sound, the Allen's are in the ballpark but not right on.
The Carr Rambler has a lot of clean headroom for the power rating and it sounds great with a reverb unit. However, the amp can also be quite bright which is not easily dialed out.
— Paul
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gatorfiend
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Gainesville, Florida
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Posted on Mar 12 2017 08:13 PM
1)
Just to throw something else out there as far as amps, have you considered an old Ampeg? They can be found for a low price compared to other vintage amps. They're built like tanks. Nice tube driven tremolo and reverb, I like both the trem and reverb, better than a SF bandmaster reverb I had.
The guy who started Ampeg hated rock, the amps were targeted towards jazz guys, so they stay really clean (partly because of the 7591 tubes and usually ss rectifiers=less sag) but take pedals well if you want dirt.
I've has a Rocket II,a Gemini I (12W) and a Gemini V (same as the I but 30W and a 15" speaker).
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For guitars, again to throw something different out there; Reverends. I've had my Six Gun III for a few months and I think it's the best guitar I've played. I really like the graphtech nut on it. The locking tuners and Wilkinson whammy are great as well. Nice chunky neck on it also. Many Reverend models seem targeted at surf. My .02 anyway.
Happy hunting!
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skeeter
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Virginia, USA
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Posted on Mar 12 2017 09:32 PM
The Allen Encore has an onboard long spring reverb with mix and tone controls.
I've never heard one, but that's a pretty intriguing feature.
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FritzCat
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Posted on Mar 12 2017 09:45 PM
I had an Encore and while it was a very nice amp, the reverb wasn't really suited to surf, even after I added a dwell control. I'd recommend a vintage Bassman/Bandmaster and real outboard reverb unit (or build a Surfy Bear), or a Strymon Flint as Danny suggested.
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Badger
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Mar 12 2017 09:58 PM
Unless you're locked into a hand-wired amp, give a look to Fender's '68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb (the Silver Face one). 2-10's, 35W, lovely onboard long-spring reverb (when you don't want to use your tank), very nice tremelo, and 2 differently voiced channels. Nice ones can be found used in the 750-850 range or in the 1100-ish category new. One channel is voiced typical BF Princeton-like scoopy Fender, the other is voiced like a Bassman and that one is your money channel for surf. It gives nice results at home & is certainly big enough to gig with.
Just a thought. Happy shopping.
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Always_Ben
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Posted on Mar 13 2017 12:58 AM
Badger wrote:
Unless you're locked into a hand-wired amp, give a look to Fender's '68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb (the Silver Face one). 2-10's, 35W, lovely onboard long-spring reverb (when you don't want to use your tank), very nice tremelo, and 2 differently voiced channels. Nice ones can be found used in the 750-850 range or in the 1100-ish category new. One channel is voiced typical BF Princeton-like scoopy Fender, the other is voiced like a Bassman and that one is your money channel for surf. It gives nice results at home & is certainly big enough to gig with.
Just a thought. Happy shopping.

I took a look at those. Very promising, though it looks like it requires a speaker swap to reach full potential based on common consensus, so I'd have to factor in the price of new speaker and getting them in.
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Always_Ben
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Posted on Mar 13 2017 12:59 AM
FritzCat wrote:
I had an Encore and while it was a very nice amp, the reverb wasn't really suited to surf, even after I added a dwell control. I'd recommend a vintage Bassman/Bandmaster and real outboard reverb unit (or build a Surfy Bear), or a Strymon Flint as Danny suggested.
I already have an outboard reverb unit. Would the Encore then be a good one otherwise?
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da-ron
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Posted on Mar 13 2017 06:03 AM
I was going to suggest an SG, but a Les Paul Junior with a Bigsby might work as well. PRS have thick necks, but I'm not familiar with their models.
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ColtsSurf
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Posted on Mar 13 2017 11:08 AM
Regarding the guitar neck thickness, you might look for a used CS Strat with the 1954 "U" shape. I have a couple of these and they measure .90 at the 1st fret and .985 at the 12th.
— Paul
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Always_Ben
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Posted on Mar 13 2017 03:09 PM
I forogot to mention that I want a tube bias tremolo in my amp, as opposed to opto. So that rules out a few suggestions here.
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Badger
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Mar 13 2017 03:36 PM
Always_Ben wrote:
I forogot to mention that I want a tube bias tremolo in my amp, as opposed to opto. So that rules out a few suggestions here.
Not familiar with every amp listed above; who's doing optical tremelo?
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gatorfiend
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Gainesville, Florida
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Posted on Mar 13 2017 04:10 PM
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Always_Ben
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Posted on Mar 13 2017 04:15 PM
Badger wrote:
Always_Ben wrote:
I forogot to mention that I want a tube bias tremolo in my amp, as opposed to opto. So that rules out a few suggestions here.
Not familiar with every amp listed above; who's doing optical tremelo?
Any silverface amps.
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Badger
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Mar 13 2017 04:49 PM
gatorfiend wrote:
http://www.guitarplayer.com/miscellaneous/1139/5-things-about-amp-tremolo/22018
Interesting
Particularly with modern iterations of those amps, you can't take that as gospel. The DRRI for example still uses an opto-coupled trem (and nobody complains about a Deluxe very often). But many other modern versions of the amps the article references now use simply a capacitor/resistor network to flip the wave, amounts of that controlled by the knobs on the front of the amp. So the Deluxe RI is opto, yet the Princeton RI is not, yet the Twin RI is opto.
The CVR I ref'd above, for example, has output bias tremelo - and not an opto-sensor to be found. Now the multi-tubed harmonic tremelo, like found in things like a Showman, is to me a way different & lovely effect - even if it was an electrically inefficient way to go about it. (No need for one here, which is why I bought a SurfyTrem pedal.)
It might be worthwhile in your search to hear some examples of each and/or go play a bunch of your candidate amps. There's an old '70 Silver Face Twin Reverb I wish I had back & I would not let the DNA of its tremelo deter me at all in using it for plenty-loud surf.
— Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
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