echobeach
Joined: May 21, 2007
Posts: 220
Redland City, Australia
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 06:20 AM
Hi I recently discovered this site, It's a great wealth of information. This is my first post I hope it's in the right forum. I've a story to relate and couple of gear related questions.
Three other guys and myself all in our late 40's / early 50's
Have formed a surf band we are located in Brisbane Australia where the Instrumental music scene is virtually non existant. After a few Rehersals we have been looking for somewhere to play. We went to an open mic/Blues jam,were allocated a 15 minute slot at 9pm. The crowd is around 100 people playing pool and drinking and not paying much attention to the music.
We get up and play" Diamond Head" finish the song and I notice the crowd has appeared to double in size and massed around the stage area but it's deadly silent. Most of the crowd are blues fans . I'm beginning to think we made a mistake coming here. next thing someone lets off a load whistle then we hear a few cheers.
We play "walk Don't Run" and all the girls get up and dance and the crowd gets even more exited we then play "Sleepwalk" "Foot Tapper" " Hiroshi " and finish up with "Pacifica" By this time the crowd is electric and wanting more. But we follow the rules and step down. we got asked if we were coming next week we said we were . We turned up the next week Got allocated 30 minutes at 10-15 pm , all night prior to us playing we kept getting strangers coming up to us asking if we were the surf guys and that they had come out especially to hear us play. Well we played our set to an even bigger crowd response. I was on such a high I could not sleep when I got home, I soon came down to earth at 4am the next morning when the alarm went off to go to work.
My question is this. Does anybody use a Les Paul or 335 style guitar for Instrumental Surf music ?. Our lead player uses a Strat or a Yamaha SGV guitar while I use a les Paul or a Dot . Two reasons ,I have a bit of arthritus in my left hand and prefer a fatter neck and shorter scale. plus we have both come to the conclusion that that a clean humbucker sound set slightly on the bright side. compliments his single coil lead sound.
Thanks for spending the time to read my post
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mom_surfing
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 5310
the outer banks of north carolina
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 07:43 AM
dave arnson of the insect surfers plays a SG
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WR
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3832
netherlands
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 07:50 AM
the guitarist for the killer bananazz plays a deusenburg semi, very much like a 335. great tone.
anyway, what works for you works for you, as simple as that. If you're satisfied with your tone than it's settled.
fwiw, I think the sound of guitars mixing rather then staying apart in the mix can be part of the surf idiom. so there's no need to keep the guitars apart. some bands also use mosrite v. jag to keep the sounds apart, listen to the nebulas e.g.
great story about the blues jam!
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echobeach
Joined: May 21, 2007
Posts: 220
Redland City, Australia
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 08:18 AM
mom_surfing WR
Thanks for your replies I'll be checking those bands out.
marty
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11058
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 09:41 AM
The now defunct Ultras guitarist always played an ES335.
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IvanP
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 10331
southern Michigan
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 09:58 AM
I was just listening to the Sentinals, and it sure sounds like their lead guitarist mostly (if not exclusively) used a Gibson. I think I saw him pictured with an ES-335 in one photo. (There was also a photo of him with a Strat, but it really doesn't sound like he's playing a Strat or even a Fender on most of the recordings.) And I must admit that he got a great sound.
The lead guitarist of the great sixties Aussie surf band the Denvermen used mostly an ES-335 (and a Strat on occasion, but mostly the Gibson). I'm sure you're familiar with their hit "Surfside," Echobeach. And he got REALLY great sounds out of that thing. (If you don't have any of their stuff, you should definitely track it down. They had one LP and and a whole bunch of singles which were collected on a CD some years ago.)
So, you're in small but good company! (Though I must say that I don't know of any surf guitarist that ever used a Les Paul.)
Congratulations on a great jam, too! Sounds like a blast. I hope you can do more of it, and maybe even become a regular act at that club.
Ivan
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WR
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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netherlands
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 10:30 AM
DOH!
How could I forget.... the les paul as well as hollowbodies were big, as in huge in the indorock scene, which is closely related to surf. started somewhat earlier than surf, and before reverb. it's mostly tape echo's what they used, but anyway, much big fat guitars with big fat sounds for instro music. many of them later switched to jazzmasters (not jaguars! that tells you something about the sound they were after). I read somewhere that ANdy Tielman switched to the JM cause it was lighter and allowed more tricks and jumping and stuff, and he preffered the sound of the LP - which he now plays again.
look up some andy tielman on youtube
WR
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- Magnetic IV: lespaulish DeArmond, big heavy guitar but with DeArmond 2K pups.
- Link Wray's been seen with an LP (again, not really surf)
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 10:36 AM
Dave Arnson uses a P-90 equipped SG. This should always be differentiated from a PAF(or other pickup) equipped Gibson.
If I had a ES-335 I would have no shame playing it in a surf band. Absolutely amazing guitars. However, I'd always go for the Jazzmaster or Jag first.
Les Paul visually wouldn't fit very well. You should get a ES-355.
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mom_surfing
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 5310
the outer banks of north carolina
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 12:27 PM
JakeDobner
Dave Arnson uses a P-90 equipped SG. This should always be differentiated from a PAF(or other pickup) equipped Gibson
i did not know that, thanks
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MikeG
Joined: Mar 29, 2006
Posts: 309
Springfield, Oregon
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 12:37 PM
I play a '70s BC Rich Seagull Jr. with Guild humbuckers in the Surfonics.
It's kinda Gibson-ey.
You can hear it here: http://thesurfonics.com/music.html
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IronMaiden
Joined: Nov 02, 2006
Posts: 564
Virginia Beach
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 12:41 PM
I was playing with a guy who had a Gibson Firebird and that thing sounded pretty cool. (although he played through a marshall jcm-2000) They look pretty wicked too, 60's all the way.
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IvanP
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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southern Michigan
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 12:52 PM
IronMaiden
I was playing with a guy who had a Gibson Firebird and that thing sounded pretty cool. (although he played through a marshall jcm-2000) They look pretty wicked too, 60's all the way.
I think the (second?) lead guitarist of Fifty Foot Combo also played a Gibson Firebird, but through a Twin Reverb. His sound was a bit dirtier....
Ivan
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RobbieReverb
Joined: Feb 28, 2006
Posts: 2368
San Jose, Ca.
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 01:35 PM
JakeDobner
Dave Arnson uses a P-90 equipped SG. This should always be differentiated from a PAF(or other pickup) equipped Gibson.
If I had a ES-335 I would have no shame playing it in a surf band. Absolutely amazing guitars. However, I'd always go for the Jazzmaster or Jag first.
Les Paul visually wouldn't fit very well. You should get a ES-355.
Dano Sullivan of the Insect Surfers, however, does play a Gibson
Flying V with Humbuckers. Way not trad, but IMHO it more than
works.
Bob
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 01:59 PM
I love firebirds. Really great guitars. The minibuckers are fantastic. I also really want a non-reverse firebird with P-90s.
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P2gee
Joined: Jul 05, 2006
Posts: 264
Waco Texas
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 07:57 PM
I have a ES-347 that really snarls thru my Pro Reverb and works well when you want to get surfy. The 347 has a coil tap switch that puts the humbuckers in single coil so you can get a kind of Fender sound out of it. If i played gigs dont know if I would use it though, it gets real heavy on your shoulder after about an hour.
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vulture
Joined: Jan 14, 2007
Posts: 68
australia
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 08:31 PM
i recently got an epiphone firebird and love it.
reverse would be heaps more comfortable. its a little neck heavy.
NO TREM! gaahhh
i might go ahead and put a bigsby or maestro trem
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IronMaiden
Joined: Nov 02, 2006
Posts: 564
Virginia Beach
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 10:02 PM
JakeDobner
I love firebirds. Really great guitars. The minibuckers are fantastic. I also really want a non-reverse firebird with P-90s.
Yeah I want one too. My friends got the non-reverse custom shop one, I think its got burstbuckers in it, he told me once but I wasnt listening. Its like a wacky looking SG or something.
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JeffLeites
Joined: Mar 27, 2006
Posts: 343
North Hollywood, California
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Posted on Jun 10 2007 10:29 PM
Thanks for the report on the Blues Jam. I've often wondered how surf music would go over in that type of venue. I've been to lots of blues open jams, but don't play the blues well enough to take to the stage. I'd sure like to play Miserlou at the Buckingham Blues Bar in Florida next time I'm there. Maybe I'll ask Tommy the owner and jam leader about it next time I'm on vacation there. 
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Stormtiger
Joined: Dec 12, 2006
Posts: 2685
Ventura, CA
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Posted on Jun 11 2007 11:19 AM
Thanks for the report on the Blues Jam. I've often wondered how surf music would go over in that type of venue.
We get a great response playing surf music in a town of blues and classic rock lovers. Last week the bartender came out and hugged us for bringing something fresh.
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Brian
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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Jun 11 2007 12:04 PM
Great story echobeach. Good luck with bringing surf to the masses.
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