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John, when did Dick move from Rendezvous to Harmony Park?

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Last day at Rendezvous was 12/23/61. Don't have exact date of Harmony, but it was early '62. I know the exact Rendezvous date because it was reported in a local Newport Beach newspaper.

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I think he played Harmony Park on Fridays and Sundays. Sadly both places are gone. The Rendezvous is a condominium. Some think it was in the adjacent parking lot. They'd be wrong.

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In terms of the reverb/no reverb debate, here's a short Vintage Guitar article from Dan Forte:

https://www.vintageguitar.com/2785/dick-dale-surfers-choice/

Thanks John, the article explains the origin of the myth that reverb was not used on 'Surfer's Choice'.

I re-read the Fender reverb section of my 'Soul of Tone' book and found a story told to you by Dick Dale, which I have re-typed here:

"The reverb came about after I explained to Leo Fender and Freddie Travers, his number one man, that I didn't have a natural vibrato in my voice, and that my live show was ninety-five percent singing, and my guitar played the lead while I sang. I wanted to sustain my voice like a piano sustain pedal. I told Leo I had a Hammond organ at home, and it had a button that gave you a reverb sound. Leo built a device that had a Hammond Organ Company spring tank mounted inside, and when I plugged a Shure Dynamic 'birdcage' microphone into it, I was able to sing and sound like Elvis. That was the birth of the Fender reverb. Later, when I plugged my Stratocaster into the reverb and played my instrumentals, it was icing on the cake. Only then did my Fender reverb sound become associated with surf music."

No dates are mentioned in the 'Soul of Tone' reverb section, but I think dates have been pretty well established up-thread. I learned a lot about the origin of reverb in surf music from this thread and thank all those who participated.

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The timeline:

From "The Fender Amps: First Fifty Years", p. 159: "The '61 catalog showed a brown Tolex model with a leather handle and a flat logo. Instead of grille cloth, the front panel was also covered in brown Tolex." (Presumably a prototype model used just for the catalog shoot.)

The reverb unit is developed during '61, possibly even a bit in '60, and is commercially available by early '62, if not even earlier.

Dick Dale releases: "Let's Go Trippin'" b/w "Del-Tone Rock" in September '61; and "Jungle Fever" b/w "Shake-N-Stomp" (studio version, not the version on the "Surfers' Choice" LP) in March '62. All four tracks clearly don't have reverb on the lead guitar.

Dick Dale releases "Miserlou" b/w "Eight Till Midnight" in September '62, and the "Surfers' Choice" LP in November '62. Both sides of the single as well as all the tracks on the album audibly sound as though the reverb unit is used on guitar. The LP was recorded throughout '62, being that it done at the Harmony Park ballroom, where Dick started playing in early '62. Remember, the reverb unit is commercially available by early '62.

The Chantays story from Bob Dalley's "Surfin' Guitars" book (p. 69, 2nd edition), guitarist Bob Spickard: "Knowing we were heading for the big time, we booked another dance in the same place in January of 1962 and cleared $260 profit. I can remember, at this time, the first reverb unit I ever played through. It was Dick Dale's and we used it without Dick ever knowing about it (until he reads this). [Pianist] Rob Marshall's father was in electronics and knew someone at Fender Musical Instruments. He was able to borrow Dick's reverb unit, which was in for service at the time. We were so impressed with this new gadget after playing around with it for a few hours that Brian [Carman, guitarist] and I took our share of the profits from the January dance and bought each of ourselves one."

So, DD was obviously using a reverb unit by the time he started playing at Harmony Park in '62, and almost certainly already earlier than that at the Rendezvous, as the Chantays, admittedly highly influenced by him, were inspired to buy their own reverb units (for use with guitar) after trying out his reverb unit. "Pipeline" was first released in December '62, just a month after the "Surfers' Choice" LP and three months after "Miserlou". Is Dick really saying that his releases were NOT the first surf releases to feature the reverb unit but that he was beaten to it by the Chantays? I suspect if somebody phrased it that way, he would quickly change his story.

Hope that clears everything up.

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JONPAUL wrote:

I'm using "Dick's Obfuscation" as a song title! ™®©

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Aw man. Is the Jimi Hendrix thing really not true??

Thanks for that summary Ivan!

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IvanP wrote:

Hope that clears everything up.

Clears it up for me, but then I'm easy.

I posted a reply to the poster claiming that 'Surfer's Choice' was made without reverb. The thread it was posted in has mostly been abandoned but a member in Philly posted a demo of his '60s Premier reverb tank. He said it was not as splashy as the Silvertone 1481 he once owned. I guess these early reverb tanks and perhaps the first analog delay units were a big deal in their day.

IvanP wrote:

"...Dick Dale releases: "Let's Go Trippin'" b/w "Del-Tone Rock" in September '61; and "Jungle Fever" b/w "Shake-N-Stomp" (studio version, not the version on the "Surfers' Choice" LP) in March '62. All four tracks clearly don't have reverb on the lead guitar..."

First of all, many thanks to John Blair and Ivan for the history and reasoning. Dick Dale's embellishment (i.e. the big fish stories) is as larger than life as his guitar tone Big Grin

Other than reading your post here, Ivan, I was unaware that Shake-N-Stomp was released as 2 versions. In my collection I must have about 5 instances of S-N-S and they all appear to be be same apart from mix/mastering differences and they all seem to be sourced from Surfer's Choice. Do you know if the original studio recording is readily available? Thank you in advance...

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FWIW, I've seen a photo of Dick & The Del-Tones playing live on the Rendezvous Ballroom stage with the prototype reverb unit behind him. It was the early version without the grillcloth panel. So, he WAS using the Fender Reverb at the Rendezvous. Whether that photo was taken when he was trying the unit out on his vocal mike or was using it to embellish his guitar, I don't know. The photo in question was hanging above someone's workstation in the Fender Custom Shop back in the late 70s or early 80s.

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Shake and Stomp single

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Shake and Stomp from Surfer's Choice

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kick_the_reverb wrote:

Shake and Stomp single

Sadly not available for viewing outside of the USA it seems Sad

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With all due respect to Dick, none of the information in this thread negates anything he's said over the years. Dick and his storied career are bigger than life. There's an element of truth in everything he says. He was there, we were not. I think it's important to hear him in that light. An anonymous quote: "Some folks never exaggerate; they just remember big."

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Ivan and John, great discussion. Interesting reading, thanks for your contributions.

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Ivan and John, great discussion. Interesting reading, thanks for your contributions.

Agreed!!! Thanks Ivan and John.

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PS: That 23 December, 1961 date at the Rendezvous Ballroom? The Beach Boys played for the first time in front of an audience that night, performing two songs during a break between DD sets. Reportedly, they did not go over very well.

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Redfeather wrote:

Aw man. Is the Jimi Hendrix thing really not true??

Not sure where I read it but AIUI Jimi visited Dicks record store @Balboa after hearing about another left hander with wild technique and they became friendly ...I 'm not sure about Dicks claim of 'discovering' Jimi playing bass for Little Richard in Pasadena . Could be ..

John wrote:

PS: That 23 December, 1961 date at the Rendezvous Ballroom? The Beach Boys played for the first time in front of an audience that night, performing two songs during a break between DD sets. Reportedly, they did not go over very well.

They were terrible, just like at the San Bernardino Muni a year or so later where 3 or 4 of us bands performed at a dance. I recall they only knew a few songs, so could only play for not more than a half hour.

All the rest of us had enough material to perform for four hour dances at local high school gyms and armories.

But, the BB's had the name and the hits, selling a hundred records for 5 or ten of ours, it that many.

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