IvanP
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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southern Michigan
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Posted on Jan 04 2017 01:03 PM
Here is my attempt at Dick Dale's version of "Hava Nagila" from his '63 Capitol debut album "King of Surf Guitar". I always thought that was one of his most exciting tracks - and one of the most challenging to play. The relentless tremolo picking takes its toll pretty quickly! But it was very influential on my own playing. (I was listening to the original track on my iPod and played along.) Hope you like it!
— Ivan
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Fady
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North Carolina
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Posted on Jan 04 2017 01:28 PM
Ivan, you don't know how happy it makes me to see this kind of post & video from you. While I was pulled away from SG101 more last year than most of the previous years since joining due to work and life and whatnot, when I would check in, it seemed to me to be less and less about the music, and fewer and fewer of the established community participating.
I love so much that someone as prolific as yourself in the modern world of surf (how many records now between Space Cossacks and the Madiera again ), still participates here regularly, and even goes to the effort to not just work up a classic, but to post a friggin' you tube video of it and share your appreciation and respect for it.
No surprise, GREAT job on your playing! And A BIG OL THANK YOU for continuing to be so invested in the music and this community!
— Fady
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stratdancer
Joined: Dec 11, 2013
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Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Jan 04 2017 01:52 PM
It just kills! My guess is the Mrs wasn't home this afternoon because that is loud! This is not the song you walk out on stage and jump into unless you have warmed up thoroughly!
Is that a genuine blonde BM? I have drip edge that is in for just that conversion.
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Ariel
Joined: Aug 29, 2009
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Israel
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Posted on Jan 04 2017 02:02 PM
So good. Like fear of hights or something, my hands were sweating after watching this.
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IvanP
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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southern Michigan
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Posted on Jan 04 2017 03:22 PM
Thank you guys! I really appreciate that, especially Fady's lovely comments. I love this place! It's been home for many years. Though I've been on FB for a while now, I would never want to give up SG101. I do wish people would post more here, but what can you do. I try to spur things on occasion. I'm just glad to see that it's still going and there are still people involved!
David, yep, it was crankin' (especially relative to my small music room)! And yep, the Mrs was most certainly NOT at home! No way I could get away with that if she were. The settings were: the middle pickup; Amp: Normal channel, Vol 6.5, Treble 6.5, Bass 5.5, Presence 10. Reverb unit: Dwell 5, Mix 5, Tone 6. Finally, that is indeed a genuine '62 Bandmaster, though the output transformer has been upgraded. The cab is a '68 drip-edge Bassman that I recovered in rough blonde/oxblood (it was badly beat up when I got it) and stuck a couple of EV 12Ls into it. (Now the cab may as well be nailed to the floor - it would be equally movable!) It was actually sold to me on eBay as a Bandmaster cab, but they screwed up. I was fine with it, it's a slightly bigger cab than the Bandmaster's so I thought it might also sound a bit bigger, maybe a bit more bass. But I did have to get the top holes redrilled for the Bandmaster head, though.
Thanks again, fellas!
— Ivan
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stratdancer
Joined: Dec 11, 2013
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Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Jan 04 2017 04:07 PM
Thanks for the info. I am looking forward to my new blonde circuit Bandmaster. I have a 1x15 EV SRO that I run with it. So heavy! I have a guy in Indiana that is going to build a new cab for it. What I have is so heavy it will never leave the house again. My amp will look bi-polar though as it will remain dripedge cosmetics.
We were playing playing Hava as a duel attack lead but I chose to back Earl up on rhythm and let him kill himself lol! He plays 10's with a little overdrive. Cake.......
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Last edited: Jan 04, 2017 16:09:06
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SixStringSurfer
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
Posts: 1400
Memphis, TN
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Posted on Jan 04 2017 04:43 PM
Ivan, you sounded absolutely AMAZING! Seriously, you nailed it my friend. The only thing I would do differently is remove the oxblood and put gold sparkle in... Kidding!
— MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale. New Singles "Finish Line" and "Paradiso" on Bandcamp and website.
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Brian
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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Jan 04 2017 07:08 PM
Sounds great Ivan! And what Fady said!
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Reverbenator
Joined: Jul 26, 2015
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San Diego, Ca
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Posted on Jan 04 2017 07:47 PM
Awsome job, Ivan!
Back in the 90s, I saw Dick Dale at 'The Brick By Brick', in San Diego.
I'm guessing that most of the people there were new to his music; they were obviously having a good time, but it didn't seem to me that they were actually familier with it. (As Pulp Fiction had just come out a few years earlier, I think they knew Misirlou, and probably not much else.)
About halfway through the show, he stopped to chat with the audience, and asked if anyone had any requests. No one was shouting much of anything.
At the top my lungs, I shouted 'Hava Nagila'. He looked in my direction, and I shouted it again. We made eye contact (I was probably about 10 feet away from him), and he smiled and nodded. I shouted it a third time, but not nearly as loud.
He said, "Hava Nagila, yeah, we can do that one." He turned to the band
(Ron Eglit was on Bass, I forget who was on drums), cued them up, and counted it off, and tore into it. I still get goosebumps thinking about it.
I've seen most of my Guitar gods, but none of the rest of them has ever played a song because I requested it. Good times. That was a night I'll never forget.
Cheers, Clark
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IvanP
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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southern Michigan
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Posted on Jan 04 2017 11:10 PM
Thank you all very much! Really appreciate it! Cool story about DD, Clark! I once called for The Victor several times, and Dick ignored me. Dusty saw me call for it, and being friends, he shouted "The Victor!" to which Dick said, "Nah...". Dusty then shouted REALLY LOUD "THE VICTOR!", staring at Dick, clearly taking Dick aback! I thought, oh shit... But lo and behold, Dick actually started playing it! I think he may have even said, "OK, I think it goes like this..." and he seemed a bit uncertain, but he played about a minute or so of it before drifting into some noodling. But that was pretty cool!
SixStringSurfer, is that gold sparkle grille cloth a reference to a certain Showman for sale on SG101 right now?
David, you're gonna LOVE your Bandmaster! Those really are amazing amps. I love playing through brownface Showmans and my Gomez Surfer, but I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that most people in the audience probably DON'T love me playing through those! The last Madeira show we played, back in October, I used the Bandmaster, and it did great. I think I'll start doing more of that. (I also used Richard's of the Mystery Men? in Atlanta with the Space Cossacks, and Danny Snyder of the TomorrowMen's in Pacifica, CA with the Blair-Pongracic Band, and in each case really enjoyed them. So, things are changing....)
Thanks again, all!
— Ivan
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Jan 05 2017 07:49 AM
Dig it! Ivan, when you guys are live and get to the inevitable (or two) DD songs have you ever incorporated this one?
Thanks so much for being the mouse that roared while the cat's away. Have to do the same thing here "to insure the domestic tranquility." ;)
Been considering having a spare baffle done for the Vibrolux & sticking a really in-your-face 12 in there. (Have to settle on a speaker that complements my Gomez tank.) Sometimes ya just want to move more air.
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SixStringSurfer
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
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Memphis, TN
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Posted on Jan 05 2017 02:39 PM
Ivan, I didn't even know about a Showman for sale on this site. I just really like the smooth blonde and gold sparkle combo. But seriously, the oxblood is gorgeous!
Reverbenator, that is a really cool story man. If you get a chance, read the post I wrote back in the spring of 2015 about hanging out with Dick and Lana. Take care man!
— MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale. New Singles "Finish Line" and "Paradiso" on Bandcamp and website.
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IvanP
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southern Michigan
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Posted on Jan 05 2017 05:04 PM
Badger wrote:
Dig it! Ivan, when you guys are live and get to the inevitable (or two) DD songs have you ever incorporated this one?
The Space Cossacks did. We recorded it twice - once a rough version for our demo cassette, and then later on in the real studio - that version came out on the Never Mind the Bolsheviks comp. The Madeira has stuck with The Victor and Night Rider, and on very rare occasions Taco Wagon (never recorded).
Thanks so much for being the mouse that roared while the cat's away. Have to do the same thing here "to insure the domestic tranquility." ;)
I suspect pretty much all of us are in that same boat!
Been considering having a spare baffle done for the Vibrolux & sticking a really in-your-face 12 in there. (Have to settle on a speaker that complements my Gomez tank.) Sometimes ya just want to move more air.
I remember a discussion, probably on SG101, about this very issue some years ago, and the consensus I believe was that 2x10s will move more air than 1x112. If you really want to be able to move more air, the best thing to do, I think, would be to get a 2x12 closed-back cab and plug in your Vibrolux into that one, bypassing the internal speakers. I do that sometimes with my Vibroverb (at home only, though), and the thing just comes alive! It really becomes a fire-breathing dragon at that point.
— Ivan
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Surf_Skater
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Lawrenceville , GA
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Posted on Jan 05 2017 06:24 PM
Thanks for sharing this Ivan. If you keep playing like that your right forearm is going to get bigger than the left!
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4536
Wisconsin
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Posted on Jan 05 2017 07:49 PM
IvanP wrote:
I remember a discussion, probably on SG101, about this very issue some years ago, and the consensus I believe was that 2x10s will move more air than 1x112. If you really want to be able to move more air, the best thing to do, I think, would be to get a 2x12 closed-back cab and plug in your Vibrolux into that one, bypassing the internal speakers. I do that sometimes with my Vibroverb (at home only, though), and the thing just comes alive! It really becomes a fire-breathing dragon at that point.
You're right (no shock); I remember that discussion. I was referring more to the sonic difference in a 12 vs. 10 but the idea of a 2x12 cabinet around just for grins (kripes, where am I gonna put it?) is appealing - so between you & Stratdancer that's 2 votes. Hmmm.
Oh, yeah - just fired up Never Mind the Bolsheviks again; forgot to look there.
Surf_Skater wrote:
Thanks for sharing this Ivan. If you keep playing like that your right forearm is going to get bigger than the left!
No kidding, who needs PT? I can attest the man will give you a full handshake.
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SixStringSurfer
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
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Memphis, TN
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Posted on Jan 06 2017 02:52 PM
Ivan, please help! I have watched your video (no, I'm not a weirdo stalker lol) a few times trying to figure out your technique. I think I have been doing it wrong for the past two years. When I do any kind of fast tremolo picking like Miserlou or Hava Nagila, my hand is touching the guitar and/or strings.
Is your hand not touching the guitar/strings at all? Maybe the way I am doing it is also contributing to my elbow pain. Also, how do you hold your pick? Anyway, if you get a chance please let me know. Thank you!
— MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale. New Singles "Finish Line" and "Paradiso" on Bandcamp and website.
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IvanP
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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southern Michigan
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Posted on Jan 07 2017 10:56 AM
Wouldn't all weirdo stalkers deny that they're weirdo stalkers??? I'm not sure your defense really holds! ;)
My hand is not resting on the strings or the guitar at all when doing that aggressive double picking. You've got put your whole arm into it, at least from the elbow down. There are many different ways to do this, and if you search for 'double picking' or 'tremolo picking' on SG101, you will find multiple threads with people offering a great deal of helpful advice on how to do this without hurting yourself and being able to keep it going for the length of a song. Some people are big believers in double-picking from the wrist, but I just don't think you can get the same aggression and power that DD's version of Hava Nagila requires. I do often double-pick from the wrist, and in that case you get more of a mandolin sound, which is great for certain things, but not for the massive DD-style aggression. Anyway, I honestly don't know how it would be possible to engage in any kind of double-picking while resting any part of your hand on the guitar or the strings, so I'm a little puzzled there. I think you basically have to float the hand above the strings. And then it's a matter of practice to move from one string to another smoothly. I hope that helps.
As far as my pick, I think I hold it in a very standard, usual way. Maybe one thing: I tend to have only the very tip protruding from my thumb and forefinger when double picking, to have minimum surface of the pick attacking the string, in order to facilitate speed and minimize drag. As a result I'll often shave off the tip of my forefinger fingernail due to it dragging a bit on the strings, from the pick tip being so minimal. That's about the only thing I can think of that might be any different.
Good luck! I hope you master the technique in no time!
— Ivan
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Badger
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Jan 07 2017 11:30 AM
IvanP wrote:
Good luck! I hope you master the technique in no time!
Thanks for the insight. I keep working on this (sort of a goal in getting over some joint issues). I will say that, personally, this is not something I can practice in a sitting position, noodling around. The guitar needs to be hung from me at normal playing position and it's an athletic position, not relaxed like a jazzer standing there with the thing up around the chest. Pain in my forearm will tell me I'm doing it wrong.
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spskins
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tn
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Posted on Jan 07 2017 11:35 AM
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Reverbenator
Joined: Jul 26, 2015
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San Diego, Ca
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Posted on Jan 07 2017 09:41 PM
As we all know, Dick Dale uses really heavy strings. 'Cables' as he calls them. I believe his high E is a 16, which would make his low E, what, a 60, 62, 64? I don't remember what it is, but it's something most of us can't even fathom.
I've seen him up close at least 3 or 4 times, and I'm sure many if you have probably noticed this:
At the start of the show, 'The Beast', is relatively clean and shiny. By the end of the show (Due to a combination of a celluloid pick, double picking, and extremely heavy strings) his guitar is LITERALLY covered with guitar pick dust.
I don't think he gets more than 1 or 2 songs out of a pick before he's used it up. Unbelievable.
Cheers, Clark
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